Another great trip I would like to share

Well, I had another epic trip this past weekend

So much I can't remember - some "realisation" moments I would love to recall, but they seem to have vanished Still remember some great things though

Took two tabs this time (2x ~150microg), after enough of a break to have lowered my tolerance a bit. I had my other half as a sober sitter on this trip - It was both a great thing and a bad thing!

In getting more comfortable with how this substance reacts with me (rather well, I must say) - it's allowing me to relax a lot more. I've found that I've been holding myself back a bit - most likely due to being a cautious person in general plus a bit of anxiety about falling into a bad trip. It feels like this is almost completely alleviated now - one of my realisations was just simply that "it's all me, nothing more"... incredibly comforting.

Having my OH there was great sometimes as it was like she was my safety net... allowing me to let go more and push further. On the other hand, at a few times through the evening - she was incredibly good at saying just the wrong thing at just the wrong time. We're both pretty new to it all, so have yet to figure out how best to influence each other, I think I'm doing pretty well in that respect - but she needs a bit of training

Anyhow, on to some of my experiences.

When I dropped, we curled up on the sofa and started watching a documentary from 2004 called "What the bleep do we know?"... I highly recommend this to anyone who's of a scientific disposition... it was a fantastic and interesting come-up... it really lets you push the boundaries of the ideas that are presented by the show. Although there was a twit of a "scientist" on there too who didn't know what the heck he was talking about - that caused a small amount of annoyance - but not much, hah! The little jelly people animations were awesome, they had really come to life after the effects started kicking in - then the real people were morphing in some rather intriguing ways. This show put me in a great mindset.

After it had finished, the music started and I can still picture quite a few of the visuals I received - but they are so complex, I'm really struggling to find the words to describe them... other than simply AMAZING.

A little later, after my previous good experience, I wanted to try exploring mirror world again. For a while, it wasn't showing me much - just this very feint outline of what could have been a lot of things. In fact, my first assumption was that it was going to be something a bit nasty! I thought it was hiding something from me that either I didn't want to see or wasn't ready to see. This continued for the next few visits - I got roughly the same outline and it seemed to be holding something back from me. Something else later on caused me to realise that there was just nothing to be afraid of and shortly after that realisation, I went back to visit the mirror again & it let me see what was hidden. Turned out it was a warm bright light coming from inside me, almost a form of goodness. The best way I can describe the visual would require you to be familiar with the Matrix trilogy. It was like a combination of the cracking light at the end of the first film (when Neo jumps inside agent smith and makes him explode), along with the end of the 3rd movie when light starts coming out of the Neo-Smith's eyes before smith is eradicated. Yet... more complex... it was a really rather nice thing to see. Realisation from it... I was worried about it letting out the "evil me" - but that doesn't really exist - there's just "me", no such thing as good or evil.

This put me in a really good mindset for a while, with some more visuals to the music. Then some track made me a bit horny and it was time to ask the OH for a blowjob. Amazing feelings, leading to an out of body experience where I was floating around watching what was going on!

Then it was time to explore outside.

The night was a bit rainy and windy... but scattered/wispy clouds, allowing you to peak through to the stars every now and again. The sky came to life, it was wonderful.

A little further on, I closed my eyes and my hearing came to life. I've experienced this, a little bit, before... on a previous trip, I've been able to pinpoint individual raindrops from the sound. But only one at a time. This time, I could locate a lot more simultaneously. To the extent it let me experience the wave patters that the wind was making the clouds form. I could picture exactly how the clouds were moving and was predicting the intensity of the rainfall to my OH, who, even sober, was enjoying the description. It was like a shallow pool of water, with complex fractal-based edges... shortly after it had been affected by lots of little pebbles. I could picture every wave formation in such immense detail, it was so beautiful. It wasn't just a visual - I could FEEL what the clouds were doing! This lasted a really long time, when I finally opened my eyes - the grass I was standing on had turned into these cloud formations. It was as if me and the OH were standing on top of the world, looking down.

This only came to an end when an apple fell from the tree in the corner of the garden. It made me jump at first, freaking me out a little - but thanks to my enhanced hearing - I knew exactly what it was, where it had come from and where it had landed. Despite not being able to see it, I could have walked over and picked it up. My OH didn't have a clue what the noise was. Unfortunately, the freaked out feeling stuck with me for a little bit, so it was time to go inside again where I would feel more safe.

I got back into the music. Soon after, maybe as a side effect of getting freaked out - things turned a little bad. I realised that trying to interact with the ipad and skip songs was too normal of a task and would break me out of the visuals for a bit, so I was getting the OH to do it for me. Because I have the system setup in a way that's simple to me - but not to others, she was struggling to do some "simple" tasks and that lead to an INCREDIBLE amount of frustration for me. I had to guide her through what I wanted her to do & combine the sequential tasks with trying to communicate them to someone sober... wow, that was 100x worse. This spiralled quite a bit and I saw the edge of what a bad trip can be... WOW... a bad trip can be one of the worst things you've ever experienced! Luckily for me, I figured out exactly how to deal with it & despite it seeming to last a long time - it really only went on for about 30 minutes. I realised that to get past this bit, I had to tackle the issue head-on and eventually managed to communicate my frustrations to the OH. After this, a warm feeling washed over me and the bad bit was over.

My silly OH though - was very good at reminding me of the bad bit a few times over the rest of the trip & that wasn't very good... she now knows what she did wrong there - it's a learning curve, so I wasn't angry with her or anything - just a bit frustrated/annoyed as I'd managed to get myself past the bad feelings and was just settling into new experiences & her random comments would put me back to where I didn't want to be!

Anyhow - the trip continued - with another trip to the mirror... this time one of my pupils turned to liquid and was moving around the iris with a life of its own.

I'm sure a lot of you have seen Donnie Darko - great film - I experienced something very similar to the "mirror moment", but without the bunny. The visual distortions in that scene are very close to what I saw, but again - sooo much more complex! I went back into the sitting room to tell my OH about this... then she started telling me about how the movie freaked her out... NOT a good move. That freaked me out for a little bit, but thankfully it didn't last long as I realised how the movie reacted with me & then went on to figure out that the meaning of the movie was simply "we always have a choice", which put me back in a good mindset again... plus I told her off about that, lol!

The walls and ceiling were really melting this time. First noticed the wall, then the ceiling. The ceiling was melting horizontally - so I started shouting at it for not obeying the laws of gravity. I was disappointed that it wasn't dripping on me, lol.

Shortly afterward, it was time to go outside again. As we were getting dressed, we were having a chat about something - I forget what now. Half way through a sentence, I stopped talking to my OH and started talking to the wall. When I'd finished with the wall, I resumed the sentence with the OH exactly where it had left off. When I'd finished, I then experienced the whole thing through her eyes - I had the exact same thing happen, but from her. Then I burst out laughing as I realised what had just happen. The following day she told me how it just seemed like the wall was another person in the conversation as far as I was concerned.

I remembered something from a previous trip about the footstool breathing with me... made a joke about it & then it started breathing again! On its own this time...

When I was trying to communicate things... I pictured my thoughts dissolving/falling away in front of my eyes. It was a black void, with a bright white straight string of some kind and the letters of the sentences were sitting on top of it, bright white again and bold... in a kind of offset isometric view with the end of the sentence furthest away from me. As I was reaching for the words to speak them, they started falling off the string and subsequently, falling out of my memory.

One of the last amazing things I remember... My OH mentioned meditation and I remembered how, as a kid, I was good at getting myself to think about nothing. I started off just concentrating on my breathing and I swear at points I was able to just stop thinking. These moments were like little moments of infinity. They both seemed to last forever and yet were so short they didn't really exist. This brought me a lot of comfort as a child & it brought that feeling back as well as a couple of those moments of infinity... awesome.

That's about it - I know there was more, some I can't put into words - a lot has just left my memory, which is a shame. But the stuff I do remember is awesome.

Any tips for better recollection? I plan on taking a notepad and/or voice recorder on future trips.

Also - I think in future... when pushing the boundaries of where this can take you... it might be best to do it in a trio. One sober or on MDMA, one only taking a single tab and the third pushing on to dissolving their ego. That way, there's always someone grounded and there's also someone for the person pushing to communicate with without too much frustration. What do you think?

First trip - http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=459010&f=117


EDIT: Just been reminded of another realisation. For a long time I've thought infinity does not exist... not "within" this specific universe, at least. There is a limit, it's just unimaginably large. My last trip let me view that slightly differently... infinity DOES exist, but only within our minds.

 

i think you should not worry so much about remembering or documenting the trip. it's definitely something i've "struggled" with as well - almost like i was forming my trip report in my mind while i was still tripping. i think it's more important to just let the trip happen and experience it for what it is. any parts that you happen to remember...Great, but don't worry about doing so.

i personally find having a sober sitter (it's usually been my "OH") does more harm than good. although it doesn't ruin the trip or anything, i find that i can let go much more on my own or with company that is also tripping. and if it's not obvious, the closer i am to my tripping partner, the more i can sit back, relax, and fall into the trip.

i've never seriously considered planning a trip like you said at the end - one on mdma or sober, one of low dose LSD, and one on higher dose. i tend to think that everyone on the same or at least similar amount of the same substance to be "better" somehow. not saying i'm right, just saying how i feel about it.

i remember reading in a trip report "i liked the feeling of a trinity in the room." (he was tripping with two of his friends).

 

Hey again pork

Yes, I noticed if you want to remember something and forget it - it can lead to a bit of frustration. And certainly, if you're almost trying to get "back" to what you saw earlier - that's not a way to progress with the trip, just a way to hold you back.

I'm trying to turn off the analytical side of my mind and I'm getting better at it... but it's going to take quite a while to learn due to how my brain works.

Trying to communicate with someone sober can be incredibly frustrating at the time... whereas having other people tripping with you just seems to enhance it. You can bounce off each others' ideas, which is wonderful

Fair enough, thanks for the recommendation - it seemed like that might be a good combination of safety & interaction, but I can certainly see how everyone on the same level will give the best experience.

 

hey again

keep in mind that "turning off the analytical side of your mind" as you put it might be preferable, but that doesn't mean that i can do it either. i think i know "how to trip" to some extent, but i'm certainly no expert. i dunno if that even exists.

yes, communicating to a sober person is not all that fun while tripping. i have found that on a decent dose, towards the end, it might even get difficult to communicate to other people you're tripping with. i notice that i'm quite prone to getting frustrated or a bit anxious on the later parts of my trip, especially if i have to DO something, like build a fire or cook food if i'm camping.

good point about the safety. not really the safest thing for everyone to take a huge dose. but that doesn't mean it can't be done relatively safely.

last time i took acid was ~300 ug with my brother while camping, back in july. i might take ~150 ug for an upcoming concert of one of my favorite bands.

 

I think I phrased that a bit wrong... It's not necessarily the analytical side I want to turn off completely - I like analysing things, so that will always be part of my trips.

It's more the attempted guidance I need to turn off, along with trying not to force myself to remember things... that holds me back, when the trip is trying to push me somewhere else - that conflict isn't great.

Want to enjoy it while there and then try to save picking it to pieces til the following day.

Having to do "normal" things, no matter how simple... can lead to quite the frustration

True - I think for now it's good to have a sitter around - as we're still discovering what this stuff can do to us. Once we're a bit more used to it (if that's even the right way to describe it) - everyone tripping in a good environment will be fantastic For now, I still like that feeling of a safety net. Although - my first trip ended up with all three of us tripping and that hardly turned into anything bad

I'll be looking to explore shrooms and DMT too - but there's no rush

 

i was gonna say something like that, but then i just went with it...instead of nitpicking your choice of words:daisy:
we think alike.

this is better than i would have said it:

 

I noticed Was thinking of posting something similar in my last post, heh!

You really added well to my other trip the other week too. The trips to the mirror are all your influence

I still keep coming back to that "The Egg" story - love that, have had it read to me twice under the influence of A - once candyflipping and the other time in this last trip. That first time, I saw it play out in front of me, as if it were a play - but a play just for me.

This second time... I was the parent god character

 

i'm glad i was able to influence you to check out the mirror

and i'm glad you liked The Egg. i'm pretty sure someone on HF showed that to me...

(not sure why i'm the only one commenting on this...guess the forums are even slower than usual)

 

Liked your post Weat ( I had a feeling your name might be a reference to The Matrix ) and your back and forth with Porky. My thoughts are that you are heading in a very good direction with your explorations and would only encourage you to go easy with yourself if you can, don't pressure yourself with too high expectations such as trying too hard to record everything. Enjoy, explore, and keep digging. Great approach you have.
I too have sort of struggled with how to better hold on to pieces of a trip. A few times I've set aside pen and paper, only to remember during a trip they were there and then when I pick them up, go off into a trip about how they make no sense, or they're just odd objects made up of swirling atoms and how could they possibly convey the depth of experience.
I'm pretty impressed with Raga's ability to write the stuff he did on his trips this summer. I can't write like that when I'm deep into it.
That movie 'what the bleep' is kinda half interesting, half hogwash. Good for ideas to explore though. If you find that you enjoy video whilst on a trip, may I make a suggestion. Mr. Writer turned me on to this one and it is one of my favorite all time movies, tripping or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO1nSVy8q8I"]BARAKA TRAILER - YouTube
And there's also this amazing series from your very own BBC. Maybe you've seen it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HiUMlOz4UQ"]Human Planet - Web exclusive series trailer - BBC One - YouTube
VERY highly recommended if you haven't seen it, sober or otherwise.

 

Thanks and yes - it was one of those... "I want a unique username" moments and it popped into my head Poor lil Mouser...

Yeah - the attempts to hold on to things really hold you back & can become so frustrating when you've lost something. I would like to be able to just switch off a bit better - but my own cautious nature slows me down in that department quite a bit, but has improved with each trip.

Sounds like the pen and paper may not be the best thing then, although your experience sounds funny! I'm not naturally all that artistic - but feel, if I'm in the right mindset, this could really bring some interesting things out of me.

I have an iPad 3 (i mention that because the high resolution screen is important for this) and did this on it the other day while sober:
http://new.weavesilk.com/?615i
(use firefox or safari - chrome seems to make it run way too fast).

I think playing with that will be a lot of fun. If you want to try it for yourself - you can make a new one here - http://new.weavesilk.com/

I also have various sketching programs on there - which I've barely used so far, but could be interesting. A good friend of mine is very artistic & I think he'll get a lot from that.

Yes - definitely a lot of dodgy information in there - one of the main guys they were interviewing just didn't seem to understand anything & even his attempted explanations were garbled! Definitely a lot of bad information in the film - but I found that only caused a very small amount of annoyance as it just gave me the ideas to springboard off in my own mind... and that's why I enjoyed it. I would HATE it sober!

I've already been searching for recommendations and found both of those - hadn't seen the trailer for Baraka though - looks very interesting. Heck, some parts of the trailer make it look like it could be slightly trippy even when sober.

I've gathered together quite a few things that could be great to watch - no idea if I'll get through the list - but this is what I've put together:

Films:
Flash Gordon
Quadrophenia
Tommy
2001
2010
Led Zep: The Song Remains The Same
Princess Mononoke
Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Across the Universe
The Doors
Pink Flamingos
Natural Born Killers
Strange Days
Altered States
Twin Peaks
The Attic Expeditions
Baraka
Yellow Submarine

TV:
PBS Nova: The Elegant Universe (string theory three parter)

Cartoons:
Ren & Stimpy
Family Guy
South Park

Anime:
Serial Experiments LAin
Tekkon Kinkreet
FLCL
Akira
Interstella 5555

Films that come with a "warning" (lol):
Pan's Labyrinth
Jacob's Ladder
The Lawnmower Man
Brainstorm
Pink Floyd: The Wall
Alive Through The Looking Glass



+ various music pieces with nice visuals



Oh... and I've been rather enjoying Hunter S Thompson lately

 

I've never tried the recorder thing though.. give it a whirl if you really have your heart set on this. Maybe it will inspire me

Top notch! Thanks for that, bookmarked!

That's what made me appreciate it too, pretty much only for that.

I liked your list, some more than others. Across the Universe was a very pleasant surprise but I've yet to see it tripping. I'd recommend putting Baraka at the top of your list, it's mind blowing. As for your list of silly (ren and stimpy, family guy, etc) try adding TV Funhouse. I watched it once on 4aces and it was simply incomprehensible insanity.

And of course if you like visuals with your music, hard to beat milkdrop if you use winamp. I think it's compatible with other music players too.

Good stuff Weat

And ya, how DO the machines know what Tasty Weat tastes like anyhow?

 

you should try taking 300 ug and watching a tree. or dirt.

my favorite spot to trip is a certain camping spot - on sand, near a creek.
nature provides the best movies.

(that weavesilk thing you made is sweet though. made quite a dmt-ish pattern in about 5 seconds.)
edit - i just realized that you drew that one. i thought you made the program.
i couldn't figure out why it was letting me draw, but it was also drawing by itself. got it figured out now haha

 

Ah yes, meant to post - on my second trip, I tried the voice recording function on my phone... that worked quite well, but I did forget it was there for most of the trip, lol!

Milkdrop 2 was the first thing I lined up for my first trip & has been part of each one since... I love those visuals

I've been searching for some others too.

Electricsheep is a fantastic screensaver (sadly, not synced to music) - but it uses distributed computing (like SETI et al) to compute new visuals - so you can an unbelievable amount of variety.

R4 visualiser is almost as good as milkdrop, but quite different - so will add some variety

I stumbled across this the other day, very interesting take on the Matrix - and I completely agree with it - I'm surprised I never saw it in that light at the time!

http://www.geekrest.com/2012/08/reddit-matrix-humans-as-bad-guys-discussion/

Yes - nature has given me some of my best experiences.

I would really love to take a camping trip up to the top of a tall mountain (where there's a safe plane, ideally) and stare at the night sky without so much light pollution and dust.

I've been lucky enough to do some astronomical observing from the top of mount Teide in Tenerife - the amount you can see with your bare eyes is astonishing! You can clearly see the nebula on Orion's belt with your naked eyes... you can see 1,000-1,000,000 X (yes, times!) the number of stars you can see at normal ground level.

 

i grew up on the top of a hill, but more importantly it was 6 miles from a tiny town, so there was very little light pollution. now i live in a city, so when i go camping there is a drastic difference in the night sky. one of those times i was yelling "i can SEE THE MILKYWAY!"

i would love to go on a high enough mountain where elevation made a large distance.

i just googled it and i went from ~1600 ft in the woods, out of town, to about 560 ft in the city.


http://new.weavesilk.com/?771j


http://new.weavesilk.com/?772w =

 

That's a good example, it's difficult when you get lost in the experience.

Probably the wrong place for this, and I'm not one to geek out on stuff too much but...
Interesting idea but missing a few points. It's plausable to bundle the human actions and label them as bad guys. The idea falls apart though when he tries to call the machines benevolent because they made the matrix as an act of empathy towards humans. The architect explains how the earlier versions were rejected and had to be modified so as to be accepted by the human mind. They weren't trying to get it right for us, it was to make the system work. Ok, so there were alternatives like the writer said, but the machines choose humans for their vast renewable energy and the matrix was the system of control, the prison.
Saying the matrix was an act of compassion is like saying slave owners were compassionate because they fed their slaves. No, it was in their own self-interest.

 

Enjoyed reading that, sounds like a rollercoaster of a trip.


Knowing what your screen name is from and based on some of those anime movies on your list I highly reccommend checking out the Animatrix. It's split into several episodes but the one that really left me awe struck is entitled Matriculated. I'm not even into anime that much but I found that pretty mindblowing.

I've had The Doors movie on while tripping on acid, I didn't really end up watching much of the screen but the dialogue and music colored my trip very well.


I tried watching Pink Floyd: The Wall on shrooms and thought it was terrible. I'd recommend just listening to a Pink Floyd album while tripping instead and maybe like Dark Side or Wish you were here.

Also ill second porkstock's reccommendation about checking out nature. I often find my interest is peaked by stuff id often find mundane or overlook while sober. Like picking up a leaf, rock or checking out a tree and examining its patterns and texture can be really interesting.

 

I can't do movies, or screens in general.. tried watching the Mighty Boosh once, and although parts were hilarious I just couldn't focus. I find they're just a constant distraction, my curtains were much more interesting.
I do wanna give Baraka a try though. There's another one shot by the same photographer, but I can't remember what it's called.

But yeah.. pen and paper, natural shit as mentioned above, and marble eggs. Harmonicas are lot of fun too cos they're so effortless to play, but damn I've got some amazing phrases out of that thing.. they were to me at the time, at any rate.
Kiddy shit in general just gets you off on psychedelics.


Edit: There are actually a few movies shot by the same guy, just googled and there's "Samsara" - 2012, "Koyaanisqatsi" - 1983 and "Chronos" - 1985

 

Samsara, out on dvd in december. Pre-ordered and might plan a trip for the first viewing.

 

Might join you on that one, from a distance, obviously

 

Thanks for the replies guys - sorry I haven't been back for a while - just haven't felt like mucking around on the computer much when I got back home, been doing more things & spending more time with the other half.

Here's my new one :afro:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=460873&f=117

On my last trip, we were able to just make out the band of the milky way, wonderfully clear night - so calm after the fireworks

Mountain trip is my dream - next summer - hopefully in Switzerland.

But conversely, I think it worked in the favour of humans too. The war would have continued & I think it's likely the humans would have lost - so the actions of the machines benefit both races.

Thanks - yes, I must check out the animatrix

The Doors is on my list of things to watch too.

I actually watched The Wall this past trip & loved it! Really connected with it and followed it well, to the extent - listening to the soundtrack back makes me rush a lil! I've yet to experience shrooms, but I've been lead to believe the mindset is ever so slightly different, perhaps that could explain it? But then I suppose, it may just not be for everybody.

Definitely, loving nature - it makes you pay attention to the little things that you're used to or just tune out from. It's helping me notice more when I'm sober too, which is great. I'm generally appreciating art more aswell - with my logical mind, in the past - I never really gave art much thought.

Baraka was interesting - I watched that on the come-up the trip before last. I had to switch it off when they started burning the birds beaks though - I wasn't ready for that. I think in future though, I'll be able to get through that. It lead into a fantastic trip!

Might have to pick myself up a harmonica.