Another mass shooting

Trump and Pence are still saying Soros funded the caravan!

 

It seems to me that you're assuming a lot. The only quote I can find from Bowers that's close refers to HIAS, claiming the group was bringing “invaders in that kill our people.” I can't find where he specifically mentions 'the caravan.' You also couple the shooters motive with what Trump has said about the caravan; again I can find nothing so far indicating that Trump's statements had anything to do with Bowers' actions. Indeed it appears he was no fan of Trump, writing “there is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation” and “Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist.”

 

No, that's my argument. I don't speak for the NRA, and they don't speak for me. And my point stands that the only people in your world who would have guns are the ones who stole them. So when someone wants to rob me, they won't have to worry about me being armed, thanks to your idea.

And what are the gun laws that you have in mind?

 

Since the way a "Trump Supporter" is defined is pretty narrow these days, it seems like anyone with a gun would be considered a Trump supporter. Or anyone who eats at Chik Fil a. People who wear flag shirts. I guess you could even go after SUV owners if an environmental spin is needed. It's just amazing how versatile our language can be!

 

You actually confident with that flow of logic are you?

 

That's exactly what a Trump supporter would say.

 

Beeee...cause

Blue voters never shoot people?
Nobody was getting shot until Trump became Pres?
Trump followers take a break from talk of Jewish people getting shot then of course it follows black people wont get shot?

Dafuq you talking about Willis?

 

More like a disgruntled Bernie supporter.

 

You are wrong again: It is an NRA political marketing idea. It was on their literature going back into the 1970s. It was in their American Rifleman magazine on a monthly basis for decades. I my world there wouldn't be any guns; consequently, your argument about people stealing guns and attempting to rob you is futile. I just saw pictures of innocent people who were gunned down in a house of worship. In 1990, a man entered a Muslim Mosque in Palestine and killed lots of worshippers during a prayer service with a fully automatic weapon. I don't blame his race or religion. In the Pittsburg incident I don't blame all Christians, just because Bowers came from their world. I want to see the crazy behavior stopped and the best method is the end of gun ownership. There are 295 million guns in America and they are mostly owned by people who didn't graduate from college. In all 50 states, you need a permit to drive a car. There needs to be a constitutional amendment to deal with the insanity which has origins in the Second Amendment.

 

And once again, you are not paying attention to what I'm saying. I'll try to make it even clearer to you. You propose to have the government go into peoples' homes and order them to hand over their guns. Presumably, the government agency responsible for this confiscation of property will be using gun registration records so that no one with a gun can deny owning one. However, you seem genuinely ignorant of the fact that hundreds of thousands of guns are stolen every year. And that's where your philosophy runs into the light of day and is exposed as half-baked reasoning. Perhaps you're okay with me defending against a home invader with a knife or my knuckles, but I'm not okay with that.

So, no I am not wrong. I don't speak for the NRA, and they don't speak for me. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that, in your world, when someone wants to rob me, they won't have to worry about me being armed. You were just hoping that, since an organization that you don't like has made the same point that I have, you could prove me wrong via a guilt-by-association reasoning. But as you can see, my point about stolen guns is valid, and your only argument against that point is to claim that someone you don't like has made the same point.

And of course, this is to say nothing of the fact that when the criminal element decides to use knives in home robberies, you'll no doubt be leading the march to convince the government to ban knives.

 

I just thought I'd highlight the inner workings of your reasoning here.

 

The shooter was anti-Trump and hated Jewish people. I think that we as a society are still missing the mark when it comes to these shootings. We want to pin the reasons on gender/race/political affiliation etc but there are sociopaths everywhere. Why didn’t Facebook act on his obviously inappropriate posts that he wanted to harm Jews? Why wasn’t there security in the “largest synogogue in Pittsburgh?” Why are we still blaming these things on gun control when in the same week, another guy sends bombs to scare politicians?

We don’t get it. And it’s downright disgusting for politicians to be making this political.

 

On gun control, I'm in favor of it. I think there should be more of it, but I don't see how to implement effective measures with the Second Amendment in place. It's like the whole thing is designed to keep guns in the hands of the people. I'm unhappy about it and feel anguished for those who lost their lives and the families who now must mourn their loved ones.

Murder disgusts me. It scares me and it makes me sick.

 

I’m pro gun control but it should be about keeping guns out of sociopath’s hands and realizing that if there were a ban on legalizing guns, these types would still find a way to find illegal guns. They’ll likely do an investigation and people will say how he hated Jews and wanted to hurt people but did nothing to report that. If my neighbor or acquaintance tells me he wants to hurt Jews or anyone, and/or I see it come across my Facebook feed, it’s my responsibility to report it to authorities. That’s what we don’t get. All of these school shootings, same thing.

All of these shooters exhibit signs of depression, rage and in some cases, make statements about how they intend to carry out their destruction. And we see it...and we don’t say anything. I think that it’s time to realize that gun control won’t stop terrorists, or psychopaths who are desiring to carry out these types of events.

 

I have a soft spot for the more utopian sort of "no guns" policy, like Australia! or whatever other countries have that. I think it would be so cool to show the world that's how we feel about violence. But we're a militaristic society. And there is the second amendment... So I don't think anything is going to happen.

I feel it would be nice to see a ban on all assault rifles on a national level to show how we feel about gun violence. I understand there are arguments that say "oh, that's ineffective... they just get them blackmarket" but I don't like the argument. I feel it's sort of like saying "why try".

Don't give up, pro-gun controllers!!

 

Agree but the US is nothing like Australia. That’s why so many people want to move here lol The US is different from any other country. We are open to diversity, different ways of thinking and the ability to protect ourselves, although I agree that gun control still has many strides to make. If the US was so awful people wouldn’t be clamoring to come here. Just food for thought.

I agree about assault rifles but the truth is, the US has a violence issue even aside from guns. Did you know most rapes are done without guns? Rapists usually use knives or another type of weapon and rape is one of the major violent crimes in the US. So we have to realize that psychopaths will inflict violence regardless of how our laws handle gun control. I really don’t understand how these psychos are getting legal permits to carry though?

 

These goofy motherfuckers want to step up security so nobody kills the suspect..

The same asshole crowd that gives President Trump backlash for speaking about having armed security in places of education and worship ..

smh..

 

Australia has a problem with fortune seekers as well... And one of the reasons more people wanna go to the states is not because the quality of life is so much higher there, but because your country advertised themselves as such an utopia for decades. For every american who's fond of diversity there's another who isn't. If people want to feel protected from pointless violence they might be just as good or maybe even better off in Australia and several other western countries. Food for thought