Any Hippie Libertarians Out There?

I truly love this country. It has more problems than a shit-house rat but overall, I still believe it beats the alternatives. Nevertheless, I remain astounded that most of America continues to vote for two versions of the same song (Democrats vs. Republicans). These establishment-sanctioned parties just tax like hell and eat away at what few liberties remain. Am I the only Libertarian left?

 

I used to work with Badnarik.

 

I don't understand how you say Hippy and Libertarian together, if only because of the Party's anti-socialistic policies, namely the ending of welfare. I don't know about the Party's economic regulatory policies, but judging from the trend it is probably very laissez faire and once again against the "hippy" communal/socialistic mindset.

 

yes,, but..

 

que?

 

libertarians make a whole lot of sense, but i don't necessarily agree with all of their stances.

they are pretty conservative when it comes to economics, and that makes sense to me on some level, but on another...it's just wrong.

 

for instance:

http://www.lp.org/

this just seems a bit cold hearted to me, especially considering a "private charity" can hardly "bridge the gap" of a large federal program.

 

That's more Bush than Bush himself.

 

Yeah, but, welfare really isn't working. Reform.

 

You're not alone. Unfortuantely, there aren't that many of us. I've been an activist in the Maryland party for about thirteen years.
www.md.lp.org
www.save-a-patriot.org

So was I!

 

So whats wrong with this stance?? you afraid of taking on personall responsibility for your fellow mankind??

Youd rather pay taxes to a beurocracy where half of the cash flow is funnelled off to pork belley projects of the elite,, rather than taking responsibility yourself an feellin the gratification knowing 100% of what you do to help gos to help??

man talk about someone who is a product of the system... its truly sad when a 16 and a 18 year old have never been taught personall responsibility for there fellow man...

 

Excuse me, have you been paying attention the past 40 years? The ADULT population has not been taught personal responsibility to a large extent. Welfare was a good idea, in theory, but it created a learned helplessness. It is not completely those on welfares fault however... What has held those on welfare back is not purely a lack of self motivation, it is a lack of proper education. The rich send there kids to A rated public schools or private schools, while the poor are unable to send their kids to a decent school because they can't afford it, its a perpetual cycle of poverty, creating generations of welfare dependents.

 

i find the libertarian party to be the party that has most in common with my political beliefs and will most likely join the party once im 18 unless there is a better alternative out there. right now niether republicians or demrocrats are doin it for me, a person has a right to do what they want to unless they are imposing on someone else's rights. you dont have to believe in what someone is doing and like the famous quote goes "i may not agree with what you are saying but i will fight to the death to protect your right to say it".

 

Libertarians are infamous for their use of anti-government propaganda.

and Needless to say, the Government is infamous for its anti-anybodyWhoWantsToChallengeTheGOP/DemocratAllianceForIdeologicalAndPoliticalHomegenity propaganda.

I can feel a lot of pity for the poor socialist, but pity is all I have for him.

 

Actually, this is dropping responsibility for our fellow Americans. If we just get rid of welfare, so many people will be without what they rely on. You think private charities and the kindness of humans can match the federal welfare program? Yeah, right...

Product of the system? You're nothing but an arrogrant tool. You don't know anything about me, and the thing is, the majority of people today won't give two shits about people on welfare. You think they're going to come to the rescue?

As I quote the libertarians once again:

What a lame plan.

 

You must've been homeschooled, unlike the majority of Americans. Personal responsibility isn't taught in public schools.

Yeah, like you know me and all.

 

Yes it IS relieving responsiblity from the American People. And is transfering it to the people who should be responsible, THE INDIVIDUAL.

Welfare is not benefiting society in the long term. It is creating a mindset of dependence. Granted, there are people who really use welfare righteously, they fall on hard times and need help to get back on their feet. But there are others who depend on welfare their whole life and do not take responsibility for themselves. This is a result of a shitty Educational system and not an innate lack of motivation or laziness in the person. Its a cycle and welfare is not helping but perpetuating the problem.

I think welfare should be phased out. A dramatic removal will destablilize. And I agree that charities and family will not be able to fill the gap totally. What is needed is a systematic reformation.

 

This is exactly my point. I feel that a quick removal will do much more damage than good. I don't really know what a "systematic reform" would involve, though...

 

i have no clue where in the statement about removing welfare it said that it would be an instant removal, besides in order to ever get enough people to agree to it would HAVE to be done by slow cut backs.

 

It didn't say instant removal, but the part that got me was:

So, um, what's the big difference between relying on the government and relying on other people? It'll cause the same problems.

The LP site is so vauge it's almost a joke.