I've read the bible over and over again. When I was a young child, I believed every bit of it. Now, as I can make my own decisions and understand what *the word* is saying...I can't believe I was ever into that stuff. So, tell me, what makes you so sure you're right...what makes you so sure that the Bible is the true word of...god?? Intelligent answers....no simple *faith* ones, please.
Anyone can write a book? Heh, you'd think so, wouldn't you? I believe in god, the devil, heaven and hell, but not the bible. It's a tool used to shield bigots, racists, and narrow minded conservatives. It's a shield used for war, and the content is questionable. If god is all mighty and power, why does he care whether or not we woship him every Sunday? Why does he care if we worship another idol? And all that stuff about the world was created in seven days and seven nights? Was time created during then? I mean if time wasn't really fabricated then seven days and seven nights could have really been fifty years, or a hundred. And all that stuff about gays being an abomination is just a shield for prejudices against their sexuality.
for "other" views, check out: hugh shonfireld: the passover plot john shelby spong: rescuing the bible from fundamentalism aldous huxley: the perennial philosophy edmond bordeaux szekely: the essene gospel of peace the gospel of thomas (several online versions) & just poke around at places like: www.sacred-texts.com www.beliefnet.com www.gnosis.org www.csp.org
"I believe in god, the devil, heaven and hell, but not the bible. It's a tool used to shield bigots, racists, and narrow minded conservatives." That is what people wish to take from it. It could also be interpreted in a very positive manner. By looking at the gospels, for example, in its historical context you can see that it is supportive of a more liberal, compassionate, and loving society. If people looked at the spirit of the teachings, and not the literal significance, everyone can learn great things that do not require faith to appreciate.
I should've known not to ask a question such as this here...NONE of you answered the question.... Ditto DarkLunacy!
If you are willing to be a bit patient - Jatom and myself will try and come up with an explanation. Keep in mind, its very easy for you to pop in, assert the book is false and then sit back tapping your fingers. Your basically asking for the entire Christian apologetic AND you have indicated you have already made up your mind anyway. How about YOU explain why 'not'?
I'm not Christian or religious, but I completely agree. Give it time. Only after a few posts you expect an answer by asking about the entire bible?
No, I don't expect your whole christian community to apologize at all. AND...What am I making my mind up about? All I asked is what makes you positive that the bible is the *real* word of God.... BUT I do expect the folks who answer to answer my question...not OTHER questions I didn't answer. I'm not expecting answers on the bible numskull...I want to know what makes you so sure that YOUR bible is right...that YOUR bible is the word of *God*. And Terminal...What exactly do you agree with? That I want an apologie? Damn, I love proving you wrong, bro!
Listen kid, How did you prove me wrong? Moron! I agree with his comment about your being impatient. Read! Can you read? Second it seems you follow me around because you get such a kick outta of arguing with me. Most of all, if you think you're mature enough to post a comment on a religion board try not to be so fucking immature in your response. Don't like what I have to say? Well, fuck off, it's mostly a free country. I don't know why you got such a gripe against me, and seriously I couldn't give a shit, but give it a rest and stop being such a downer. Man there's a lot of immature kids on this board.
Terminal Madness, You should be more understanding. Moonflower seems to be an impulsive person and will react in the wrong kinds of ways. Hopefully one day he will grow out of it, until then we have to be patient.
moonflower evidently has not have the love of god thrust through him; he has not been penetrated by the holy spirit; he has no been violated by a catholic priest yet.
He didn't say I was impatient, moron. The word impatient isn't anywhere in his reply. Can YOU read? ...I hate stupid fuckers who answer everything BUT what I asked. I follow YOU around? YOU posted in MY thread.... Immature in my response? If immaturity is asking for the answer to my question...then YES I am immature. It's not now nor will it ever be a free or mostly free country... I don't have a gripe against you. I think you're ignorant...there IS a difference. I don't see where I'm being a downer...if you couldn't give a shit...then why is it bringing you down...???? And there are a lot of immature *adults* here as well....
And what wrong way was that? Pointing out that NOONE who responded to this thread gave an answer to the question? Well excuse the fuck out of me. Next time I'll stick to questions about who has a crush on whom in the forums...THAT always gets the answers.... SHE will never grow out of it...
Moon flower, you question is very general, so a general answer would be 1) Literary criticism, more specifically textual criticism which reveals that the New Testament is more reliable textually than any other text ancient writing 2)Internal evidences (integrity of the writers, etc.) 3)External evidences (archeology, extra-cannonical and secular sources, natural theology, etc.) and last, but certainly not least (although I'm sure it'll be least to you) 4) personal testimony. What makes you so sure the Bible is false Moon flower? BTW, what you're asking for is an apology, and what I just wrote above was a very basic apology.
Internal evidence...how so...?? Personal testimony isn't least to me...thanks for assuming, though...I just didn't want it to be the answer given. I didn't say it was false...I just don't believe it. The whole new testament contradicts the whole old testament..... It's the word of God, no? If so...god needs to get his shit together and reorganize the bible so it fits together. BTW....I wasn't asking for an apology...just an explanation of why you think the bible is the way to go....