anyone mention a swine flu conspiracy yet ?

swine flu supposably being man made
general fear mongering by the media
universal health care thing
vaccines set to be mass produces and distributed in october.

just throwing the idea out there.
what do you think?

 

Bollocks.

The media in the UK have attempted to create controversy and "rows" between difffering groups e.g The government and the NHS. The NHS and The WHO. The government and The WHO.
They have even attempted to say the government has given mixed warnings concerning those most at risk.
None of these things are true.
I guess we are in a plateau of information, in an attempt to keep this story alive, desperate measures have been used.
Fear mongering? If mentioning it morning noon and night and creating a false sense of confusion...is fear mongering, then yes.

We already have that universal care thing.

Bit earlier than that. No conspiracy there.

 

If world governments hadn't reacted, and 20 million people had died, you'd be bitching that it was a conspiracy to "reduce world population" or some such nonsense.

You need to stop trying to find a sinister plot behind every bush.

 

Is it wise to mention Bush in the conspiracy forum?

 

the US doesn't have universal health care, that seems to be a big issue.
some people dont like it cause its socializing the US and i hear it bans private health care.

 

Ha! Good point, I guess.

George Bush was a lousy president, but equating him with Hitler??? Come on ...

 

yea obama is a better comparison

people loved hitler in the begining too.

 

My god! The sheer brilliance! You have expounded a new political theory the likes of which the world has never seen. Thanks to you, the inexorable march of history has found a new drumbeat!

Now let me make sure I understand your theory ... it's quite complex, I know, and I don't want to get it wrong.

Your theory says that if a politician is "loved in the beginning" (that's your phrase, of course ... a mere plebian such as myself could never think of such golden words), then that equates him with one of the most notorious murderers in the history of the human species.

I must admit to being positively speechless. How is it that you and you alone were able to deduce this universal truth? Yes, you alone were able to delve into the secrets of the ages and formulate this unfathomable axiom. I simply must say it again ... one can't say it enough!

Here it is again ... If a political figure is "loved in the beginning", then that puts him/her on par with Evil personified. I must say I can only shake my head in wonder at your insight.

What on earth will you come up with next???

 

20 million people WOULDN'T have died.
It's the fucking flu.
The swine flu strain is barely worse than the influenza we are used to. The panic that the media and the government have created is ridiculous and inappropriate.
The only reason it was so deadly in Mexico is a poor healthcare system and a vastly overpopulated capital.

 

The "fucking flu" you so blithely underrate killed 50 million people in the pandemic of 1918, and millions of others worldwide in smaller epidemics since then.

Calling it a "panic" is what's ridiculous and overblown. Who was panicking? Did you see anyone rushing pell-mell through the streets? Did you see anyone jumping from their office windows? There's no "panic". There is a sense of people wanting to protect their families.

What makes more sense ... taking precautions that may or may not turn out to be necessary after all, or trying desperately to dig up crackpot conspiracy theories out of nothing?

 

umm actually that is not true.. bacteria is what killed so many in 1918,not the flu..

Bacteria Fingered As Killer In 1918 Flu Pandemic :


Bacteria were the real killers in 1918 flu pandemic

 

I assure you that the swine flu was not engineered through a vast conspiracy. Viruses are hard to control once they are released into general population. Crafting a disease to wipe out the population is very imprecise and can have long term consequences. Even if a cure was already made, there would be no guarantees that the vaccine would be viable within a years time. Long before the threat of the bird flu, swine originating flues have been considered a threat to the human populations. Because of a pig's similar genetic make up to a human, there has been a threat that a virus could develop in a pig that would spread to a human. In fact, birds are more likely to infect pigs, which are good hosts for a mutated form of the disease. Simply stated, the disease simply was the result of too many people saying the day when pig's fly.

 

oh your right, if they wanted to kill the masses it would be much easier to do with a vaccine than releasing a virus.

something as simple as causing the children to become infertile would probably do more for reducing the population than releasing a virus in the long run..


the WHO has already been implicated in this with contamination of vaccines causing a 25 to 30% sterility rate..

http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html

 

Bilderberg plans to use swine flu as a catalyst for forced vacinations. Just take a look at vaccines. Having Lead derivatives in them. Can help to promote sterilization as well as deformities. Take a look at the safe recommended dosages compared to body weight. Infants and people that are pregnant have the highest levels.

yes, as mentioned above, what are all the possible side effects of this on children. Sterility lowered immune systemsas well as hundreds of others.

 

Yes, when human antibodies weren't up to the flu, when they weren't strengthened by vaccination, before people lived in relatively sterile conditions, etc. etc.
You're talking almost a hundred years ago. You can't be that dense. Are you fucking with me?

In Massachusettes, the health agencies can forcibly remove people from their homes in case of an outbreak if they don't get the experimental vaccination.
In the UK, people are going to be forced to take the experimental vaccinations.
Obama said he would shut down any schools that showed signs of an outbreak. Many businesses are prepared to do the same.
These are not rational or needed precautions for a sickness we have had under control for the better part of a century. It is not a super strain. It is not a stronger strain - in fact, many pathologists feel it is a much weaker strain than the flu we are used to.
Compared to what we are facing - this is panic. It's ridiculous, and I would even say suspicious, and I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories. There's much more important shit going on right now, and whether planned or not, this ludicrous behavior is a very pointless and very harmful distraction.

 

your a smart man duck.. :cheers2:

now the question is, from what??

 

i didn't even fully present a theory, just a comparison.
-good rhetorical skills loved and accepted at an almost godly status. there's alot to compare. you know that saying "if you dont learn from history its bound to repeat" that logic is at work.

you're not even analyzing them correctly. you need to look at both of their beginings, middle political life, and end as they happend, not how we think they happend. obviously we dont know how obama ends or how his middle poltical life will look but both Hitler's and Obama's beginings are very similar.
which, in fact, gives proper cause to be vigilant of his actions so history DOES NOT repeat its self.

for example, hitler imposed a strict gun bans, which didnt turn out so good for the jews did it?. should Obama push a similar ban or regulation what is to stop him from turning into another hitler?

its a matter of vigilance, there are many parrallelisms with pre-to-early Nazi germany and the US today. you just made yourself seem like you are too ignorant to have noticed.

 

do you think we'd see something like the movie Children of Men ?

"when people could no longer make babies society comited suicide. and the world fell apart"

 

i dont know. i do know they are openly stating this is a new method of producing a vaccine and that they will not know the full ramifications of the shot till millions are vaccinated.
i also know that the vaccine makers have been given full immunity from prosecution or lawsuits should something go wrong.

thats spells a recipe for disaster to me and there is no way in hell i am getting the shot,nor would i allow my children to be vaccinated if they were still young enough for me to have to make that decision for them.
thankfully they are not,but i can only hope i raised them well enough that they make the decision not to take the shot for themselves..

 

We have both the National Health Service (socialised health care, if you wish) AND private health care.
You are even sometimes sent to a private hospital through the NHS.
http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/
http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/private-hospitals/nhs/
So, no it isn't banned.