are christians responsibale for global warming

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  1. Smartie.uk

    Smartie.uk Member

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    bit of a strangled route to this one but bear with me.

    are christionas responsible for global warming.

    ok, canabis was made illeagle in the 1920's due to astronomical political pressure form the christian church in america. prior to this move, hemp was a primary agriculture in the u.s.
    had canabis not been made illeagle, hemp would still be a primary agriculture in many parts of the world as well.

    it is only in the last decade or so that we have been researching the benefits of hemp oil plastics and fuels, and this has been done on a limited scale due to government restrictions on the growing of hemp.

    had we been growing hemp for the last century, all these now wonderful discopveries would have been made so many years ago, and we would have probably already moved to hemp biodeisel in cars, rather than still trying to refine the processes.

    also hemp can be grown anywhere pretty much, it is a very hardy plant.. so fuel and plastric prduction could be kept localised rather than poluting the world by shipping goods across oceans.

    so. the way i see it... had christians not got on their ridiculous moral high horse in the 1920's we would be a much cleaner planet.


    this is open for debate by the way.. i'm not gonna write a book about it :)
     
  2. L.A.Matthews

    L.A.Matthews Senior Member

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    I would say it's more to do with the fault of Abraham Pineo Gesner, the Nova Scotian Geologist. He discovered Coal Oil (Kerosene) in 1846 which is the main problem for "global warming". Then, I think it was the Polish Pharmacist, Ignacy Ɓukasiewicz, who discovered how to get Petroleum from Crude oil. It has nothing to do with Christians, and stop trying to give credit to Cannabis on EVERYTHING. Yeah, it's not as bad as everyone says, and yes, it should be legal, but it's not. Get over it.

    Here's a picture of Gesner on the Canadian postal stamp:

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    He's a happy-chappy.:)
     
  3. Smartie.uk

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    yes he found crude oil and yes the other guy refined it.. but you seem to be missing the point... had hemp not been made illeagle.. we would have been making biodiesal from it for the last century, thereby cutting down on the carbon emissions from fossil fuels.

    it is not the discoveries that are the problem.. it is how, as a race, we are forced to use or not use them based on political pressures, and things being made unecessarily illeagle.
     
  4. L.A.Matthews

    L.A.Matthews Senior Member

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    Then why arn't you complaining that nobody uses feces for energy?...It's alot cheaper.
     
  5. Smartie.uk

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    i thinkit would be very difficult to refine feces into usable fuel for vehicles.. maybe we could use it for heating and such... but methane is 10 time worse than co2 as a green house gas.. but i'm not sure what effect burning it has.

    but besdie the fuel factor... i dont think you can make plastics form dung... nor can you make soaps and other products like that.
     
  6. Smartie.uk

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    and just for the record... had hemp been a stple of mass agriculture... cotton t-shirts would not have been the norm... i say this because producing one cotton T-shirt takes/purges 1740 gallons of water. If America's cotton garments were switched to hemp, 1.33 billion gallons a year of precious water would be saved.
     
  7. L.A.Matthews

    L.A.Matthews Senior Member

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    Okay, you have a very good point, but blaming it on a religion is absurd. It's the people that's to blame, not the religion. You can't think of "what if?" because it didn't happen. Work towards making the future, not condemning the past.
     
  8. Smartie.uk

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    but we have to learn form past mistakes...and we cannot learn from them unless we know what it was that was wrong with them. critising the past is how we learn what went wrong.

    and yes i admit it is the people not necessarily the religion.. but religions coax in th power hungry and manipulate morality so that good people do evil things for the sake of religion... organised religion as an institution is a bad idea.. but its not hindu's or buddist's that made ganja ileagle... therefore... christians are responsible for global warming. :)
     
  9. L.A.Matthews

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    Christ, the fact that you link religion with such a farfetched thing is so fucking stupid. Do you blame Islam for Terrorism and Judaism for Isreal/Palastine too? I think you should REALLY think about what you're saying. It's the intent of the people and the religion they create for themselves, not the religion and the intent it creates for the people.
     
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  11. lithium

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    The use of coal and oil was already pretty entrenched by the 1920s, and pumping oil out of the ground is much more efficient and cost effective than the growing of fuel crops, so a change from oil to biofuels was extremely unlikely. Oh, and nobody had any idea that burning oil was bad for the environment, so they had no reason to investigate new fuel technologies.

    So, the answer is no:)
     
  12. Smartie.uk

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    i agree that religion is not necessarily the cause, but it more often than not becomes the justification for the cause. which makes it equally bad if not worse.
     
  13. L.A.Matthews

    L.A.Matthews Senior Member

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    Read.
     
  14. Smartie.uk

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    but had there been a constant hemp crop being grown, the manufacture of hemp plastics and bio fuels would have been a natural progression. and had there been a hemp motor fuel industy already established, then wars for oil and the middle east turmoil could have been prevented to some extent.
     
  15. lithium

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    Why would there have been a hemp motor fuel industry, when we had a vastly more efficient and cost effective oil motor fuel industry, and no reason to change?

    It's only when we come to realise that biofuels might be part of the solution to a problem we've only just understood and accepted, that we even consider the possibilty that alternatives to oil are needed. It's happening now, and I really can't see it having happened earlier without people being able to see into the future...
     
  16. L.A.Matthews

    L.A.Matthews Senior Member

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    Did they even know at the time that Hemp could be used as a fuel?
     
  17. dapablo

    dapablo redefining

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    Think you'll find that everybody in the 1920's was a Christian, believer or not.
     
  18. lithium

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    Hemp is just one of the crops capable of being turned into biofuel ... the argument would be more convincing if Christians had caused the banning of corn and soyabeans etc...
     
  19. lithium

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    Henry Ford did research into biomass derived ethanol fuel in 1925 ... hemp was one of the crops, along with potatoes and others...
     
  20. L.A.Matthews

    L.A.Matthews Senior Member

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    Ah, I didn't know that.:)

    Seriously though, you can't blame a group of religious people for the cause of Cannabis being illegal; that's blatant religious prejudice. I'm sure there were many people who were Christian who wanted it legal, and there were probably atheists who wanted it illegal. It's too much of a broad opinion to blame specifically on Christians.
     

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