Are Enviromentalist Hurting Poor Countries?

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by Motion, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    Interesting video:


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  2. Logan 5

    Logan 5 Confessed gynephile Lifetime Supporter

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    Too many people want to use Africa and Asia as a testing ground for a technology that simply does not have the capability to help those communities propser. If they are going to moderize and build, they need the coal and oil and gas.
     
  3. boguskyle

    boguskyle kyleboguesque

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    this video is a bit preposterous imo. it voices its argument on a misunderstanding of ideals and the realities of the situation involving sustainability.
    that example of the refrigerator and light powered one at a time is obviously due to not enough resources being invested. not because solar power doesnt work!
    and its ludicrous they add that little comment about thinking the people as scum.

    people are trying to build an economic society that hasn't already been completely industrialized, and incorporate sustainability as much as possible. once you make the decision to rely on oil, you definitely rely on it and that is not a good thing mainly because we will run out of oil globally. it's a dead-end. if a country is made with sustainability at its roots, it will certainly keep it's head above water when a market crash happens globally.

    gas, oil and coal is just the easy short term solution, and ironically parallel to decisions in each of your individuals' lives, or for an important business decision, easy short-term solutions --as opposed to more difficult long-term decisions-- are NOT the best solutions.

    as for the pollution example of burning dried animal feces for kindle, sure, i believe it. i only really emphasize my opinions on sustainability because i think in turn it will affect environment too.
     
  4. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    environmental sustainability does damage capitalization. It's a great long term solution to a cleaner planet, but fiscally it comes with a huge cost.

    Ironically, if you want to save the planet from greedy business types- you have to pay somebody else unaffordable amounts of money to implement a safer, more sustainable solution. One of the reasons we haven't gone 'green', is because of the cost.

    Hypocrisy, is thy name.
     
  5. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    sorry, i've read that a few times and I can't make head or tail of what you're saying. You're trying to sound to smart and it comes across and gibberish- no offense.
     
  6. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    you never mentioned the word union once. I think that says it all.

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  7. Logan 5

    Logan 5 Confessed gynephile Lifetime Supporter

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    Utilizing solar electricity is very beneficial in some settings.
    Industrial, no.
    Retail, it can be used thought it may not replace 100% of the coal-fired electricity.
    Residential, it can be done, but it is also cost prohibitive.

    As for the medical facility in Africa that was in the video, there are options they can use that would help, but they fail to see those. From my experience with solar, which isn't a lot, it is ideal for 6 & 12 volt systems. You lose a lot of power by converting from 12VDC to 120VAC. They could run their system by implementing multiple 6 VDC batteries instead of 12 VDC batteries, and instead of converting the 12 VDC to 120 VAC, get a 12 VDC fridge. For times that electricity is not available, that can be solved by having a dual-source fridge. Run either 12VDC or propane. And a 250 gallon propane tank would likely last them at least a year, if not longer. I had a 250 gallon propane tank that lasted me close to 8 months, and I was running a hot water heater, kitchen stove and a fridge with it.

    As for the lights, there are 12VDC lighting systems that are just as good as the lights they are using.
     
  8. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    I think we have the second coming of sign-related. But instead of being total and utter BS, this is nearly intelligible BS. He tried it with me, but I got bored and ignored him.
     
  9. CheeseMonger

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    How exactly were they forcing the african countries to use solar panels? Were they talking about all of Africa or just that one building they showed in the video?

    I r confused.
     
  10. idioticnumbskull

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    10% of the population controls 90% of the land, wealth, and resources. If anybody should be taxed and forced into austerity it's them.
     
  11. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    :biker: do you like my mustache?
     
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