Assumptions about God that piss me off.

Quote from your average atheist...

"If God is real, why do children die from cancer? If God is real, why are there natural disasters, killing thousands? If God is real, how can he let things like rape, murder, and abuse go on in life? There is no God!"

The list goes on . . .

I have seen this explanation almost everywhere, YouTube, in everyday life, on TV, and on here. And it pisses me the fuck off.

God gave us something called free will, and we get to use it how we please (or else it wouldn't be free). Do you consider yourself capable of making a choice for yourself? Ok, good, we've established that.

God gave everything a little "Tap" and put everything into motion. Then He left if alone and let it unfold. I can assure you that God is displeased with what he sees. God doesn't kill people, people kill people. Natural disasters are exactly that. Natural. People die. Get used to it.

People who are rapists don't get away with it in God's book. They go to HELL!

I know I did a horrible job explaining myself, this is difficult, but to sum it all up, God doesn't let these things happen, God set things in motion and let it unfold, He gave us free will, and is displeased with what he sees. (Why He sent Jesus)

Understand now?

 

free will still doesnt explain why children die from cancer.

 

Oh, right. I forgot that one. I knew I forgot something when I read it over. Everyone is equal and gets a chance to believe in God. It does not matter when you die. For all I know, cancer could be manmade. But we'll rule that out. I think it's Gods way of controlling the population. When God gave everything a push, He knew what would happen. It's like rolling a ball down a track. You know it will roll down. So you are in control. Cancer children get equal oppritunity to believe in God as others do. As long as they're alive to make decisions. Therefore, it is fair.

 

what about the ones too young to make a concious decision as to whether they believe in god?

if god wanted to control the population, why wouldnt he just give cancer to the rapists?

 

Yeah, God doesn't kill people. People kill people, people kill people in Gods name. In fact there is no better way to kill thousands or even millions of people than by using God fearing religious zombie tools to do your dirty work.

God doesn't kill people, he doesn't save people, he doesn't do shit. When your lying on your death bead slowly dying from the shock of extreme pain and your one of the lucky few who might have a nurse who's willing to take pity on you and add that extra dose of morphine, you think God's going to be there for you then, take to heaven “ Yeah I was just fuckin' with you, here's my blissful utopian eternity, kiss my feet I'm so fucking great…”. What a load of shit! If God can make a perfect utopia then God would have to be perfect to do so. If God was perfect then there is absolutely no reason to first create an imperfect world and leave people to suffer in it. It's bullshit, God is FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!

 

God doesnt do shit?!
What about the spark of life that enables you
to be aware of your exisatnace and to have
the opinion that God is not real?
The purpose of creation is not for a perfect
utopia.
Nature, in itself, has both positive and negative
energies.
So does the human body.
Evil is both subjective and objective. Example?
Subjective : Mans choice to lie, steal, murder, etc.
Objective : Premature death, disease, natural disaster.

The creation of the universe can be considered as
the vibrational essence of existance desire to play.
So, we come along. But this desire is not good or
bad, it is both, and it is in a sense, a desireless desire.
Like when I play on the floor with my son, this is a
desire, yes, but it is likened to creation, the essence
of life desiring to play and share with us.
But my son is still going to be exposed to the problems
of nature as we all are eventually.
God does not interfere, because WE are the ones
responsible for our own karma. But this comes down
to belief as usual, and this point of view would
consider reality as we know it to be but a thought
of God.
Just as our own thoughts are vibration.
So are we, in essence, living in the cosmic vibration.

Asking God to prove itself by way of magic and
interference, is quite rediculous.
God can be proven if you open your mind a little
further and perceive beyond the physical and astral
planes, but I realize this is not easy

 

I've always said that if some kind all powerful God truly does exist, then he's quite the sadist. Assuming you're working from a Christian understanding of God (all powerful, loves us all, we'll go to heaven after we die if we have faith, etc.), then it's hard not to see the contradiction that arises between free will and God's will.

Is God an actual influence in what happens in our daily lives, or just someone who's going to judge us in the afterlife based on whether or not we had "faith" in him? If it's the former and God truly loves us all, then why wouldn't he try to influence all of our lives for the better, and end things like war, disease, etc? And if it's the latter and God exists simply to observe us and judge us based on our faith, then what's the point? Were we simply created to worship "God"?

It's all too contracting for me, so I've decided either, (a) there is no God, or (b) there is a God but he's an egotistical dickhead sadist, in which case I really don't give a shit about him anyway so why worry?

 

I dont understand this problem with the conception of
the idea that we have free will and God is omniscient.

God knows everything? yea, and we have free will to
live out our actions according to the cosmic dream
which we are a part of.
God knows what we will do? Yes, but that doesnt mean
that God controls us, it means that he knows us.
What is this difficulty in comprehension about?
I mean I know what it is about, but people, stop limiting
your creative thought process with such simple
mental walls.

 

No mental walls here, I understand what you're saying, what I'm asking is just, if you're right and we have free will and God is omniscient, what is the point of God? In our opinion, why does God exist?

 

Well, if the creator-god/omniscient god are the same abstract (or being or whatever), then the creator-god would have to know everything that would happen...
either that or there's random chance.
which means that there are things god can possibly predict, but not know with certaintiy.
which means it's not omniscient.

I call your idea the "absentee landlord" vision of god.
which leads to the conlcusion that if god exists, he's either lazy, uncaring, or just mean.
i read part of the bible. and god seemed pretty mean.

also, why would god create something that pissed him off. i know i'm applying human terms to an abstract concept (a very, very loose abstract concept). but it seems that he'd be unknowing if we we're given free will.
or else he knows what we are going to do.
in which case there is no free will.
it's kindof like the opposite of back to the future.

 

So are you admitting that there can't possibly be a heaven?

How can heaven exist as a part of an infinite universe that contains both positive and negative energies?
Is it not written that God has promised eternal happiness to the deserving? How is this possible in a constantly changing, stirring, evolving universe of 50% negative and 50% positive mixture of completely entangled and bound energies?

And for those who simply claim that God is EVERYTHING, then God is just as much bad as he is good. God cancels out! God equates to nothing!!!

GOD DOESN'T DO SHIT!!! God doesn't exist!!!!

+50
-50
=0

God = 0

ZERO !!!

Thaks for helping to clear that up.

 

hey man, chill out, just relaxxx. you sound pretty sure of yourself. your certainty is as big a problem as the certainty of a believer. as a non believer, at least retain some credibility by not sounding as dogmatic as them.

 

Is I a problem now? Is my non existing god not gonna not tell me to blow up sum groupa' God believers?

I dont think so. My not god is a peaceful not god, unlike the not not gods and their not not god wars!


I was just excited how useful his explanation was in disproving God is all.

In any frequency of energy, one Period contains a positive swing and a negative swing (google sine wave). In the very center there is horizontal line representing zero. Now here's the exciting part!!! All we have to do is get the entire world to agree that the definition of God is Zero and then we could absolutely prove that god exists as a horizontal line representing the zero center of energy. Isn't that just thrilling!!??

I don't know about you but I feeling all tingly and enlightened already!

 

It is true. The 'beliefs' of atheists arouse the ire of theists whereas we are not moved to anger by theirs. Their actions on the other hand...


Overall, we are nobler.

lol

(Since we often value the opinions of our friends, the agnosts, whose conceits we are generally happy to humour, we shall let them speak for themselves )

 

The first 2 sentences of this quote were just
shown to be completley false by your good
buddy realxx, if you havent noticed.

And, you are nobler?
Well, arent you so important

 

Because you only know how to look with
your opitcal eyes and perceive with your
short tempered ego, you can not perceive
the astral plane.
Maybe someday you will.
Maybe you wont.
Maybe we are all wrong.
But this statement by you, in no way whatsoever,
proves anything right or wrong.


I am admitting that there cant possibly be
a heaven?
And then you take your own idea and run wild
with it.
Heaven is right in front of you, in fact, its also
inside of you.

Can you tell me, relaxxx, where is the essence of
your awareness?
Also, have you used intuition, rather than
trying to prove something wrong based on
the words of scientists, who themselves, are
constantly re writing their view of reality?

 

If God does not Exist than what Are You?

And to be honest you sound like you are simply attempting to disprove the Christian sense of the word god, and by that I mean viewing "him" as a person with motives.

 

Exactly, motives, this is why I said relaxxx is using
his mind, through thought, to comprehend that
which is beyond thought.
He should be so thankful that he has a nervous
system that if he so chose to, could feel the energy
that is coming to him without his thought picking
up on it.
Well, I shouldnt say that really, he doesnt HAVE
to be thankful for anything, but there's no harm in
giving it the proper attention, rather than dismissing
it altogether.

 

Oh Bullshit!!! I've got an imagination and I dream too. I just happen to be able to tell the God dammed difference between them. You can hide in you closet and do your heavy breathing oxygen induced glorified enlightenment hallucinations or what ever gets you off! From your perception my mind may be closed but from my perception you mind is locked in its little box without a key.

Maybe see if this one is in your box: Maybe Auto-erotic asphyxiation is the only true pathway to eternal happiness. Who knows, why don't you try it and see.

 

May I ask how old you are friend?