Astronomers: The sun will rise from the west of the earth? Prophet Mohd said that too

Hi every body I hope that you are all fine,​

You know that the sun shines every day from the East of the earth, but not for ever I mean not always! Astronomers said that not me; but wait actually myself I don't interested in these kinds of news but this I do, do you know why that because the prophet pbuh stated this event 1400 years ago ,Wow, hold on! How?​

The prophet Muhammad pbuh gave us some signs of the end of the age here an example of those signs: the second coming of Jesus pbuh as Muslims and Christians believe in.​

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Before 1400 years Allah stated: Quraan: 6:158:​

… The day that some of the signs (i.e. portents of the Hour e.g. rising of the sun from the west) of your Lord do come, no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good (by performing deeds of righteousness) through his faith. Say;' wait you! We (too) are waiting'.​

Before 1400 years the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him who was (illiterateè click )stated: the hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the earth, will have faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before.​

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For the past few weeks, Mars has appeared to slow in its eastward trajectory, almost seeming to waver, as if it had become uncertain.​

On Wednesday, July 30, that steady eastward course will come to a stop. Then, for the next two months, the planet will move backward against the star background - toward the west. On Sept. 29 it will pause again before resuming its normal eastward direction.​

All the planets exhibit retrograde motion at one time or another.​

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This backward motion will manifest itself after Mars arrives at its first stationary point on July 30. Mars will then begin to loop back toward the west. Earth will overtake Mars on Aug. 28. ​

Finally, on Sept. 29, the combined movements of Earth and Mars will cancel-out the apparent backward motion, with Mars reaching a second stationary point. From then on, Mars will loop back to the east, resuming its normal path among the stars.​

Which means the sun rose from the west of Mars, Any way this phenomenon called (retrograde motion) and each planet; this phenomenon will happen to it, which means our planet too.​

Quraan: 23: 115: Did you think that I had created you in play (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to me?​

6: 91:They did not estimate Allah with an estimation due to Him when they said: '' Nothing did Allah send down to any human being (by revelation)​

Quraan: 41: 53:​

We will show them our signs in the universe, and in their own slaves , ​

until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quraan) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?​

Quraan: 38:87:​

It (this Quraan) is only a Reminder for all the Alamin (mankind and jinn). 88:And you shall certainly know the truth of it after a while.​

Quraan: 27:93:​

And say [(O Muhammad) to these polytheists and pagans]: All praise and thanks are Allah's:he will show you his Ayat (signs, in yourselves, and in the universe or punishment), and you shall recognize them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do.​

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I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the messenger of Allah.​

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OOps the source ​

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http://www.space.com/spacewatch/mars_retrograde_030725.html​

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And if you want more information about this phenomenon, write "retrograde motion" inthe search engine ​

Hudhaifa b. Usaid Ghifari reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to us all of a sudden as we were (busy in a discussion). He said: What do you discuss about? They (the Companions) said. We are discussing about the Last Hour. Thereupon he said: It will not come until you see ten signs before and (in this connection) he made a mention of the…..., the rising of the sun from the west, The descent of Jesus son of Mary (Allah be pleased with him),…​

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Yeah I think I have to expect that there are whom will take off the topic as mostly ​

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Surely God is existed click& click & click & click​

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YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens​

 

Yes - but only because of the point from which they are observed on earth - the planets don't actually change direction.
The sun will never rise in the west.

 

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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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What he is saying is the planets will look like they are travelling another direction, but they are not actually traveling that direction. Only that it will look that way from our observations on Earth.

Here is a good explanation of retrograde motion by NASA:

Retrograde Motion:
[size=-1]Temporary reversal of the apparent motion of a planet along the ecliptic. Caused because (by Kepler's 3rd law) a planet moves faster the closer it is to the Sun, so that (for instance) Jupiter appears to move backward when the faster-moving Earth overtakes it.
www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Fgloss.htm

or more simplified:

[/size]Retrograde Motion:
[size=-1]The planets generally move from west to east in the sky. Occasionally, one of the planets seems to slow down, stop, and loop backwards, moving from east to west for a short time. After a short time, all the reverse happens and all is back to normal. The planet did NOT stop or move backwards in its orbit; for a while, the Earth was moving faster than than the planet, overtaking the planet for a short time, making it seem to lag. RETROGRADE ORBIT An object is in retrograde orbit around a body when the object orbits in a clockwise
www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/glossary/indexr.shtml[/size]
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It it like an optical illusion. It looks like it is happening, but it is not really happening. And we would have to be on another planet to see it happen on Earth. The sun will never rise in the west for us, because the planets do not really move backwards in orbit, but only seem to at times from our perspective.
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The phenomenon of planets going retrograde is an effect of observing them from the earth.

The planets, including the earth, are all orbiting the sun, at different speeds, and at different distances.
The planets don't actually chnage direction - it only appears that way to us because the earth too is moving.

Imagine two concentric rings, one inside the other - these are planetary orbits - and the planets on these orbits are moving at different but regular speeds. The planet on the innermost orbit is moving faster than the outer one. So it will pass it over and over again.
As an observer on the inner planet watches, his planet begins to catch up with the outer one. At a certain point in time, it will pass it - and if he then looks at the outer planet, it will appear to be moving in the opposite direction.
If I walk alongside of a railway track - as a train approaches from behind, it is moving towards me - as it passes me and goes off down the track it is going away from me.
But actually, the train is going in the same direction all the time. Same with planets.

 

Sera Michele
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BlackBillBlake
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Let me tell ye
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Whether it only appears that way to us because the earth too is moving or something else, I wanna say: thatè (while, the Earth was moving faster than the planet, overtaking the planet for a short time, making it seem to lag) makes sun rises from the west of planets? I.e. the fast moving of the earth makes the sun rises from the west of a planet (e.g. Mars) that is the point. It seems to us or not I am talking about the sun rising.
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And any way:
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Say;' wait you! We (too) are waiting'.
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See ye
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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If you were on the actual planet that from earth seemed to be moving backwards the sun would still rise in the east, because that planet makes no actual direction change, regardless of what direction it seemed to be going from anyone's perspective on other planets.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say, however, or you are misunderstanding me...

 

You're right Sera - the sun will never rise in the west.

 

i think hes trying to suggest that the sun will rise from the west of mars, and somehow this fullfils some kind of prophecy

though, rising from the west of mars makes little to no sense, as it still rises from the east

 

The sun wont rise in the west on mars, however, just thay from our perspective it will look that way. But it isn't really happening. The sun will never rise from the west on Mars. I think he just misunderstands what the retrograde motion of the planets really is.

 

I think so too. It's a question of seeing how relative motion affects the way things appear to us.
But actually, although I don't know this for sure, I have an inkling that the Prophet of Islam meant the sun would rise from the west here on earth.

It reminds me in way of the famous passage in the Bible about Joshua commanding the sun to stand still. This was cited at the trial of Galileo as 'proof' that the sun goes round the earth.

Seriously, for the sun to rise in the west the earth would have to reverse the direction of its spin. And that would lead to total destruction of all life and the loss of the atmosphere.

 

Sera Michele ​

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Congratulations you all won I will explain​

This news about the Retrograde Motion made an explosion in the Islamic forums last year, a Muslim read this news and translated it in a forum which all the other forums believed it and (copied it and paste it in their forums and in other forums too), but the Moslems astronomers denied it strongly and explained to them their huge misunderstanding of it.​

Click here to see the visual trickery (Click on run button)​

http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/projects/data/Retrograde/ ​

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what I did I translated what that Muslim guy wrote in that forum on 28th August 2003 click here to read his thread ( and I translated the verses and the prophetic sayings which that guy wrote it as a supporting to this phenomenon (as he thought)​

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In the following link you can find what the Moslems astronomers commented on that event and they wanted from the Moslems in their forums to stop spreading this huge misunderstanding www.falak.ae.k4.htm ​

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Yes you won let me explain more? Since I registered in this forum I can see many of weird members in the full sense of the word?​

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Those weird members who:​

No.1: Who cannot accept the other different opinion​

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No.2: Insisting on their opinions although if you clarify to them your intentions and what you meant ​

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No.3: When you write about something that they hate it (i.e. because they hate your opinion) they bothers you in your other threads by taking off the topic to tease you and the like è(actually myself I laugh on their weirdness and share it with my relatives) ​

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No.4: so when you write something that they disliked it:​

They start cursing and swearing and threaten you by using very bad words etc.​

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It doesn’t mean if some body is telling you another opinion or giving a comment on your post/reply) that you are wrong. People are different and we all have different opinions about things.​

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here is some examples and by the way there are members who edited their responses (thank you)​

So I wanted to write a thread about this weirdness but I think to write it indirectly by an indirect thread is better.​

here in this thread nobody did that weirdness which means you all won in the test, you discussed it with me and gave me your comments and clarified to me in a very polite way, so thank you.​

I couldn't make this test taking another long time to wait for some one who will behave as I said (weirdly) that because perhaps I will travel in few days and I am busy to get ready, I will give you tiny links which will make you all understand my point more Because the weirdness of some members is unbelievable and some times too funny ​

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read post 25
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1454248&postcount=25
read post 25 too
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1493487&postcount=25
read post 35
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1502492&postcount=35
read post 11
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1605557&postcount=11
read post 26 [ read post 11 of the above link to understand # 26]
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1625061&postcount=26
read post 19
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1422050&postcount=19
read post 29
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1431395&postcount=29
read post 5
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1696791&postcount=5

there are many too where you can find it here in this link
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1473601&pp=25&page=1
and there are others by the [ private messages]

 

Some members consider me as a narrow-minded I hope they will explain it more to me (I am saying my opinion is that mean I am narrow-minded)
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I am sorry if I wasted your times but I think we have to solve this weirdness or ignore it myself at least I did something.
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But there is another point about those who don't read the all thread then they start arguing??!! And which makes many misunderstandings appears
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For example I quoted the following from http://www.space.com/spacewatch/mars_retrograde_030725.html
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For the past few weeks, Mars has appeared to slow in its eastward trajectory, almost seeming to waver, as if it had become uncertain.
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On Wednesday, July 30, that steady eastward course will come to a stop. Then, for the next two months, the planet will move backward against the star background - toward the west. On Sept. 29 it will pause again before resuming its normal eastward direction.
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All the planets exhibit retrograde motion at one time or another.
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This backward motion will manifest itself after Mars arrives at its first stationary point on July 30. Mars will then begin to loop back toward the west. Earth will overtake Mars on Aug. 28.
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Finally, on Sept. 29, the combined movements of Earth and Mars will cancel-out the apparent backward motion, with Mars reaching a second stationary point. From then on, Mars will loop back to the east, resuming its normal path among the stars.
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But if you read all the article from the link that I gave you then you can find this:
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It was not until the year 1543 when the great Polish astronomer, Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543), had his lifelong work "De revolutionibus" published, that the secret of the odd retrograde loops were finally revealed.
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By demoting the Earth from its hallowed position at the center of the solar system and replacing it with the Sun, Copernicus was able to triumphantly explain the riddle of the apparent "backwards motion effect" of the planets.
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It's the same effect obtained when one car passes another on the highway: both cars are going in the same direction, but one is moving more slowly. To an observer with no other reference points, as they pass, the slower car will appear to be moving backward in relation to the faster one. Copernicus simply applied the same effect (though he probably wasn't thinking of automobiles) to the planets out in space.
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Which means I know that they are observed on earth that way - the planets don't actually change direction.
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But nobody quoted this part from the website that I gave it to you? Which means you didn't read it, because if so at least you will call my attention to it.
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That what happens a lot to me with some members who made me quoting several times for each one of them the point which they didn't read it???? It isn't my fault I know.
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So my points: 1) read the all thread before giving a comment to avoid any misunderstandings. 2) It doesn’t mean if some body is telling you another opinion or giving a comment on your post/reply) that you are wrong or I am obligating you to take my opinion or I am insulting your opinion. People are different and we all have different opinions about things. 3) If you read a topic which you disagree with it, cursing and swearing wouldn't add any thing new to the topic? 4) If you want to take off the topic you can write anew thread and invite some members to it or use the private messages.
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Matthew: 12: 33:
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Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34: you brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 35: the good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36: but I tell you that men will have to give account on the Day of Judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37: for by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.
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My deepest sincere best wishes.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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some tips for you cat, for your threads in the future:

Your threads are usually very long, and lots of people are lazy and don't always read long posts. That could account for not everyone reading your entire posts.

I am not sure if English is your first language, but it doesnt seem so. I am not saying you have bad english - your english is better than any foreign languge I speak (I don't speak any!). It just means that people may have to re-read the things you write a few times before fully understanding what you are saying (I know I did). It isn't a bad thing, but since your posts are so long some people might just give up because of that. It is mainly grammatical (and grammer is the toughest part of english to learn - most english speaking people don't get it right half the time!)

Also, internet forums gives people anominity, and people like to take advantage of that. Lots of people like to come act like assholes just for fun, since there are no reprocussions. It's sometimes funny but most of the time it is stupid.

Anyhow, Cat Stevens is cool, and you seem like a pretty nice guy too. Don't take anyone's stupid (or weird) comments personally. Best wishes!

 

Cat - this isn't meant to insult - but the retrograde motion of planets has nothing to do with the sun rising in the east. It is because of the earth spinning on it's axis. So for the sun to rise in the west, the direction of spin is what would have to be reversed.

 

Sera Michele
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Thank you very much sister Sera , I think I have to do this because their weirdness is really unbelievable and I have never seen members like this in my forums's history.
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I already clarified it.
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Click here
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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OK ok:& - I didn't read the whole thing - but it was long and I have only limited time. But I didn't intend any offence to you.

 

The sun can always rise from the west, all we need to do is flip the sign and call it west.

 

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I didn't say that or even felt it. why you always thinks that!​

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the obove Quote is from my thread (similiar teachings between Islam and Christianity​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens
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by the way this attempt isn't the first one i already wrote a direct thread about it here

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I hope i will not be compelled in the future to write another one