Has anyone here ever made there own ayahuasca ? If you have, how did it compare to smoking DMT, and although there totally differant how did it compare to salvia ?
I will be doing pharmahuasca next month, I don't think I will make aya anytime in the near future but I think if I do it eventually, I want to do it camping in like a secluded area. I always wanted to go to south America but the psychedelic tourism thing doesnt appeal to me as much anymore. Im interested in ayahuasca though.
its basically synthetic/altered ayahuasca. Im using syrian rue extract as the maoi and freebase dmt for the dmt. as opposed to the b. Caapi vine and chacruna leaves found in ayahuasca.
the DMT experience is a billion times closer to mushrooms than salvia, if you're looking for a comparison. assuming you've done mushrooms.
This is a nice site to read to learn about aya and how to make it, along with learning the different plants and herbs you can use. http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/aya_01.htm
There are a number of differences between smoked DMT and oral (ayahuasca or pharmahuasca, as described above). Here's a short list off the top of my head: Comeup: Smoked is instantaneous to one minute whereas oral is 30-40 mins. Peak: Smoked is within 2-4 minutes whereas oral is more like 60-80 mins. Duration of Most Intense Part of Experience: 5-10 mins smoked and 2-5 hours oral (Dis)comfort: With significant MAOI dosing expect at least a mild purge (barfing) and/or possible cramping. Depending on what you use to inhibit MAO production and how much you take, sometimes the purge can be profound and can involve both ends (diahrrea too). There is a school of thought that the purge itself is very healing and though i do not seek it i know what these people are talking about - there's something to be said for just barfing all the black grossness and illness (symbolic/metaphoric mixed with actual physical action) right out of oneself -kinda soul cleansing in a way. It is very difficult to get a full-on (vaporized/smoked style) DMT breakthrough on oral dosing, but it is possible when one uses very high doses of DMT. So, in general, the smoked experience is more intense than the oral, though so much shorter. DMT no matter how consumed, IMHO, has only one thing in common with salvia: At high/breakthrough doses it produces a convincing, immersive, 3-D vision that is very weird. Other than that, they don't feel the same, they don't look the same, the entities that appear to users (sometimes) are different, etc. Hope this helps. If you decide to try oral DMT dosing, hope you'll share a trip report. Peace & Love, Spicey Cat, Purrr!
Ayahuasca is fairly simple to make a very easy to dose. Having never extracted pure DMT I could not tell you the similarities/differences, but compared to salvia it's at the other end of the spectrum. Chewing salvia left me with a cold "someones watching me" feeling with weird entities in my peripheral. Where as ayahuasca to me has a very safe feeling, as if a guide has hold of you and is showing you the other side. Visuals on ayahuasca can be powerful or mild depending on the dosage. How were you thinking of preparing?
Its no something a plan on doing anytime soon for a number of reasons, way things are going meybe just after christmas at sometime, only experience i have is with LSA so gonna try a few high dose LSA trips and salvia and some of the cacti available just so i can get used to intense trips, i mean DMT scares the shit out of me but in a good way if you know what i mean. Its not something i would just decide to do one weekend and i dont want to be one of they people that jump in at the deep end and get scared of for life, so just after christmas is ample time to get prepared. Ayahuasca is ultimately just a steping stone to pure DMT for me which is my long term goal, probably sound a bit over precautious but i know myself better than anyone lol and thats the way am gonna do it, dont want to be wrestling my ego when i finally smoke some DMT and from what ive read so far its all in the preparation eh
smoking DMT is supposed to be a much easier experience than Ayahuasca, just because it's so short and fast it's more of a shock than a multiple-hour journey of ego destruction. think you've got it backwards mate, i've smoked tons of pure DMT and i'd be far more afraid to take ayahuasca.
Really ?? lol hence the reason i said im leaving it a wee while obviously i still have a bit research to do, think its just the intensity of smoking dmt that is daunting to me and ive heard aya isnt as intense thats why im thinking of doing that first to work my way up, possibly a mult-hour ego destruction might not be so bad either lol but thats easy for me to say at this stage
aya would be a way bigger deal because once the peak gets going its the same as the peak of smoked dmt, same intensity and everything, except it lasts HOURS and not minutes. so the warm up is longer and lets you get acclimated to the experience but the experience itself is 100x longer . . . also, with smoked DMT you can take a puff and put it down, and see how you feel. take another puff. take another puff. work up slowly and titrate the immediate effects. with ayahuasca, once it's inside you, you're committed. so if at hour 2 or 3 you suddenly realize you are not ready for this, you've got no abort button, the trip is proceeding along your original dosing. but overall you are definitely being way too cautious imo. you don't need to experience high dose salvia/LSA/anything to "prepare" you. In fact you may find salvia to be even more intense than DMT. It's not a hierarchy man, it's not like theres all drugs and then theres incredible magical DMT above them all . . . it doesn't work like that. I don't even like DMT THAT much to be honest, compared to other tryptamines like 4-AcO-DMT and DPT and stuff. Mckenna likes to diefy DMT but it's just another tryptamine like mushrooms don't make it a big boogey man in your head lol.
lol yeh i knew id come over to precautious, i had a really bad experience with too much extacy one time and i'll never get myself in the situation again when im thinking "shit i wish i never done this" thats why im so carefull. Meybe i do have an image of DMT experiance in my head that deviates from what it actually is, reading more trip reports will remedy that. Thanks for the advice though meybe the aya wont be so helpfull then, i am pretty much a noob when it comes to entheogens though, i think what i basicly mean is im gonna make sure ive got a good few solid trips under my belt before i do DMT
DMT is just another one of those trips thats my point, you might as well say you're gonna do a lot of DMT before you try and get a salvia trip under your belt. if you want experience with entheogens, I would recommend skipping LSA and salvia. LSA can be hard to do right and is a weird one, and salvia is just in a league of it's own and nothing is like it, so it won't help you prepare. I would try and find mushrooms, LSD, or any good synthetic tryptamines like 4-HO-MIPT or 4-aco-dmt. the point is DMT has many brothers and sisters of equal or greater strength you don't need to "work up to it".
Man i would love to get my hands on LSD but its like finding a needle in a haystack round here, college time soon though lol
I dont know Chris, I think DMT is far more potent than LSD and mushrooms but you are only dealing with a 5 minute trip opposed to 8-12 hour trip. Because of how short it is it's hard to have a bad trip but it's definitely taken me some places. I've never been enclosed in the fractal space with mushrooms or LSD like DMT and with eyes closed you'll actually go to different dimensions with like actual rooms and corridors and possibly see entities and what not. The level of detail and perfection is just on another level than mushrooms and LSD to me, I've never had a bad trip but I've seen some weird shit on it. Also I've read almost unanimously while preparing for my pharmahuasca trip that ayahuasca and pharmahuasca is turned down a notch from smoked dmt in terms of intensity, but the duration and effect from the maoi can often make it a heavier trip.
yeh that seems to be what ive read, the trip reports from dmt compared to LSD, psylocybin, LSA seem to me to be super fucking crazy, interesting but kinda scary for me tbh though this is like one they things im compelled to experience but just feel i need to do a few warm up laps before get stuck in
yah I would say a Heavy mushroom trip and a salvia breakthrough are the best 'preparation' for it, if you had to go there with some sort of comparisons. It's for sure it's own trip though, I recommend a sitter the first time if you aren't very experienced with psychedelics. My friend recently tried it and he is accustomed to mushrooms and has a few LSD trips under his belt and he tried DMT once and said that was enough. He said it was interesting but too out there for him, I guess he was seeing moving colored square boxes (which I have seen) and angels singing to him all with eyes open. Everything gets right on top of you on DMT and you vibrate, occasionally auditory sounds are present, it's pretty weird stuff.
yeh ive been doing my research on shrooms too, gonna hunt some liberty caps when the time comes, theres an abundance of cow feilds just outside most of the towns here thats something im hoping to gain a bit psychedelic insight from too. Salvia from what ive read can be pretty weird too and in a way id kinda like to have a difficult experience with that so i can sorta see how i can handle it, not just for preparation for DMT but just in general also, could give me some kinda protocol for if i ever do have a "bad trip" difficult experience if you get what i mean
