Belief in 'change' in political campaigning

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by walsh, May 19, 2012.

  1. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Looking back it's hard to understand how people could believe Obama's promise of 'change' in the last election. Why would any president or political leader want change to the system which allowed and helped facilitate his/her rise to the top of the social pyramid?

    Could this be why a party platform of 'change' called for during a campaign is hardly ever acted upon when that party comes to power - and when it is, it's only to reinforce the ease of access to the top for those politicians in power and their friends in big business and the higher echelons of society?
     
  2. broony

    broony Banned

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    The monarchy is fucking powerful man. They have the whole country by the balls. How many hundreds of years do humans need to go through tell they realize taxes are a lie and a scam for absolute power? Well i guess several hundred because we still fall for the same tricks.

    I think a lot of people are afraid to fight back. Look how easy we have had it for so long compared to other parts of the world. Our 'leaders' have raised a bunch of cowards.
     
  3. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Monarchy - I like that. In a way democracy IS hereditary, passed down to the most skilful expositor of whatever appeals most strongly to our self-interest.

    I think people don't know what fighting back is - certainly it does not consist in appealing for political change, which is what the majority thinks. The desperation seen on the faces of political protesters shows they don't realize change comes in many forms.
     
  4. broony

    broony Banned

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    I agree. To me its a sigh of mass stupidity.

    Man i just don't think enough people question what really controls their lives. They don't even wanna scratch the surface. I think that also scares a lot of people.

    Once you go down the rabbit hole, you know you never gonna think the same way again.
     
  5. alice_d_millionaire

    alice_d_millionaire Just Do It©

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    america is pretty adept at corporate-fascism. i mean, the whole corporate media apparatus brainwashes the gullible into believing that everything is hunky dory. our 'wonderful' education system keeps people dumb enough to be fleeced, but smart enough to carry out the tasks necessary to perpetuate the rapacious aims of the masters. the politicians are skilled actors. they would have us believe that a democrat is somehow different from a republican. nothing ever progresses here. if anything, there is a concerted effort to take policies back to the golden age of the 1920's. you know, the time before the 40-hour work-week and child-labour laws. all of that serves the ambitions of the plutocrats that actually control the world.

    so, do i believe that political campaigning could be 'changed'? no. not as long as the current system exists.
     
  6. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    The illusion that politicians are to blame is not helping either. We tend to think they have a choice to punish corporations and help the poor, but interests are very much entrenched and they are just as much victims of the 'system' as the rest of us are. Even they believe they could have acted another way while in power, for better or worse.
     
  7. Ranger

    Ranger Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    All the change that comes out'o DC rides in some pol's deep pocket!
     
  8. themnax

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    there is still some difference. while both parties are owned by corporate economics, only republicans actually brag about kissing its ass.
     
  9. rak

    rak Senior Member

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    I think Change is not only possible, but has happened. Obama changed health policies, made America less war like, and he has been a positive role model. Even though my Republican ex thinks car inurance policies was what Obama should have concentrated on more, I think people are more important than cars.
     
  10. alice_d_millionaire

    alice_d_millionaire Just Do It©

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    i don't think you could say that obama has made america "less war like." he has expanded our military's operations to a host of countries that even bush wasn't messing with. guantanamo is still open. the PATRIOT act has been extended during his term. NDAA has been passed as well. there are assassinations of american citizens by drones. oh, and remember bradley manning? obama is definitely not a shining example of peace.
     
  11. PsychonautMIA

    PsychonautMIA Chimps gonna chimp

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    >my face when people tell me obama will bring the "change" he promised in his second term

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  12. rak

    rak Senior Member

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    Too bad. I like him anyway.
     
  13. alice_d_millionaire

    alice_d_millionaire Just Do It©

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    i think he started out with lofty goals that the american plutocrats did not like. to counter his momentum they started the tea-party and got a bunch of whack-a-doodle cats elected that are making a concerted effort at dismantling american government and driving us back to the 19th century. it seems that any time obama is making some headway, the righties either kill the idea or water it down until it is so toothless that it couldn't possibly impact their masters' bottom lines.

    i would be interested to see what would happen if america decided to give up its empire. our national defense budget is somewhere in the area of $931 billion. the next closest spender is China at $136 billion. if ours were reduced to that level, we could spend $795 billion on revamping infrastructure, education, alternative energy R&D, high speed rail... you name it.
     
  14. Lodog

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    We're a military state pure and simple.
     
  15. rak

    rak Senior Member

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    I am also getting this feeling that so called patriots keep going out of their way to make Obama look stupid, which goes against the whole idea of being a patriot. They want their country to look bad just so that they can say that it is Obama did it.
     

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