Bible Questions?

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  1. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    This looks just as heavy. He also had help and struggled to carry it.
     
  2. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA5l628VXNU

    He also may have only carried the cross beam. The traditional Stations says he fell a couple times and Scripture says Simon the Cyrene helped. The Turin shroud, which I am convinced is the burial shroud of Jesus, has abrasions all over the shoulders of the image most likely caused by carrying the cross.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    No, it doesn't say anything about being "crucified".
    According to the Bible, the so-called wise men were “from eastern parts,” and it was there that they had learned about Jesus’ birth. (Matthew 2:1, 2, 9) It must have taken a long time for these men to travel to Judea. When they eventually found Jesus, he was no longer a newly born babe in a stable. Instead, the men found Mary and “the young child” living in a house.—Matthew 2:11.

    The Bible calls these men magi, or “astrologers,” and it does not say how many there were. The Oxford Companion to the Bible explains: “The connection between magic and astrology is reflected in the visitors’ fascination with the star that had led them to Bethlehem.” The Bible clearly condemns all forms of magic and the Babylonian practice of trying to get information from the stars.—Deuteronomy 18:10-12; Isaiah 47:13.

    The information conveyed to these men did not lead to any good. It aroused wicked King Herod’s jealous anger. This, in turn, resulted in the flight of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus to Egypt and the murder of all male children in Bethlehem “from two years of age and under.” Herod had carefully ascertained the time of Jesus’ birth from what he learned from the astrologers. (Matthew 2:16) In view of all the troubles caused by their visit, it is reasonable to conclude that the star that they saw and the message about “the one born king of the Jews” came from God’s enemy, Satan the Devil, who wanted to do away with Jesus.—Matthew 2:1, 2.
     
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    Is this the Passion of the Christ movie? I was actually thinking about this movie when I asked the question.
     
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    That's a good point. lol.
     
  6. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Yup.
     
  7. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    I hope you guys don't get offended when I joke like that!
    :cheers2:
     
  8. Monkey Boy

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    It doesn't offend me, but I was mainly laughing at the way you said it.:D
     
  9. def zeppelin

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    I get so offended that I start foaming out the mouth!!! :eek:

    :cheers2:
     
  10. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    That is why i put it in quotations.

    You didn't answer my question though. Does that verse say that the one who is killed is accursed?
     
  11. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    How was Christ resurrected, that is to say in what form was he resurrected? New body, spiritually, transformed?
     
  12. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    thats what I thought.............:toetap05:
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't know where you got the idea that Salvation doesn't depend on exertion, Jesus' statement at Luke 13:24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell YOU, will seek to get in but will not be able..." is in answer to the the question at Luke 13:23 . . .“Lord, are those who are being saved few?” . . . Jesus is saying if you are to be saved, you need to exert yourself vigorously, not just for "compassion's sake" but to be saved.

    As for why it is impossible for man. Without God providing the means of Salvation, it would be impossible for man, no matter how he exerted himself, to be saved but God did what it was impossible for man to do and provided the ransom sacrifice of his perfect son. Now that has been done it is necessary to take advantage of that provision and exert ourselves vigorously to be saved.
     
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    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Sorry, I wasn't sure you were being serious.

    And what about the prophecy that Galatians speaks of;
    (Galatians 3:13) Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.”

    That is in; (Deuteronomy 21:22-23) “And in case there comes to be in a man a sin deserving the sentence of death, and he has been put to death, and you have hung him upon a stake, his dead body should not stay all night on the stake; but you should by all means bury him on that day, because something accursed of God is the one hung up; and you must not defile your soil, which Jehovah your God is giving you as an inheritance.

    That is what both scriptures seems to say, why?
     
  15. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Oh, the way it was explained before, you made it sound like Jesus himself was accursed, not that he was there in place of the accursed...
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Iwould say Jesus was resurrected as a spiritual being.

    (1 Corinthians 15:44) It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. . . .

    (1 Corinthians 15:50) However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom. . . .
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

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    Sorry :eek:
     
  18. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Did he lack the physical then? I am a spiritual being, but I am also material.

    Was Jesus purely spiritual?
     
  19. Monkey Boy

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    Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast."

    Did Jesus die on the stake/cross to try and save himself or others? He did it out of compassion so shouldn't we exert ourselves for same reason and trust that Jesus's sacrafice itself was enough for our salvation?
     
  20. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Seeing as 1 Corinthians 15:50 says; However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom. . . .

    I would say, seeing as Jesus in in heaven, he has no physical body, only a spiritual one.
     
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