Big Floods

There was a show on the Discoverey channel today on noah's ark and the scientific proof that it didn't happen. So apparently what could've happened was a flash flood, and this guy who was a merchant gathered all his goods and livestock onto one of his vessels rightquick and floated into the Persian Gulf. No worldwide flood, no giant boats on mt. Ararat, just a guy surviving some extraordinary circumstances.

 

trouble with that theory is that the same flood story is common to the Sth American and the American Indians. Same outcome too ~ a guy in a canoe, or a guy in a cave survives.
It was almost certain that a comet fragmented and hit earth causing tsunami's around the globe. The book Uriel's Machine by Knight and Lomas gives pretty convincing evidence of that. Well worthy of reading IMHO.

 

What you witnessed was essentially a 'Plea Bargain'.
They are totally screwed now because the evidence of a mass flood is so overwhelming and the accounts so widespread that they are screwed for denying it.

What they did was take the 'least Judeo-Christian' version and like I say tried to 'Plea Bargain' with it - to you.

Incidently, there is NOTHING you saw which indicated "No worldwide flood, no giant boats on mt. Ararat"
I believe that you believe that is what seemed like the presentation led you to conclude.
It was not.
Plea Bargaining is downright hilarious if it wasnt so pathetic... Creationists started winning - The Skeptics then took the findings and then turned it around 'as if' they are giving you the 'Real scientific story' then presenting you with the most minimal and contrarian explanation they can get away with.

Do you know what I mean here?

 

please enlighten us all... what is this "overwhelming evidence" of a worldwide flood?

 

No, actually.

 

I don't see how a guy in a canoe or cave would have been helped in a tsunami. They're just kinda in and out, too. Not really something that would spark a Noah or Gilgamesh. Also, that comet would have to be bloody huge, and would probably have a big impact (haha!) on the earth's atmosphere. They said if a comet were to cause a flood, it would have to be something like a mile in diameter (I think), and the impact would heat the atmosphere to 12000 degrees F.

Yeowch.

 

there is no way a worldwide flood could have ever occured, and if you think it did....explain the catalyst. and the comet theory dosent fly, because a comet that huge would have destroyed all life on this planet, and not because of a flood.

 

Actually, Yes it does.

I will dumb it down anyways.

- For Centuries, people called 'Creationists' have set out to prove the Genesis account is historical and that evidence of it will be found in nature.

- Turns out they have found so much evidence that its now undeniable and must be accepted as blatant and obviously self evident that critics can no longer deny it. (without defying obvious scientific evidence..proof really)

- So, to cover their asses, the critics have done a little trick on you. They take the LEAST amount of evidence they can and then CONCEDE that it exists.
Then (here the twist) the critics pretend like THEY know all about it and turn it around as if they have the 'real alternative' evidence (as if they found it or something).

- Then they present their minimalist version of the evidence 'as if' it was the alternative and comprehensive explanation.

If this were a courtroom - the critics (the show you watched) would be considered 'Plea Bargaining'.
The fact they are plea bargaining and concedeing 'as if' they are in control is what makes it funny.

Hard Evidence aside - they gave you the most minimal and 'furthest away from Genesis' eyewitness account.
There are lots of them all over the scale but they gave you the one that sounded the most UNlike Genesis they could get away with.

You better try and make sense of this because you really dont want to get 'played' by these people again.
Its what they specialise in.

 

As TrippinBTM asked, what is this evidence?

 

BTW.. speaking of Plea Bargaining. Its so obvious that just about any and every part of the planet has been deluged in massive floods (not just the part this show talked about) that the critics have been reduced to this concession:
They now agree that, yes, of course this, that, this and that and this region and that region have all been flooded.
Yes, ok, we agree even as high as the Rocky Mountains..
BUT!
We will Plea Bargain ourselves to stating now that 'Most' Regions on Earth have been flooded but AT DIFFERENT TIMES EACH.

See how they plea bargained out of that?
Again, they also pretend like 'Ya well we knew that and we are telling you'.
No.
Genesis Account Researchers proved it to them and now they are trying to get out of it by twisting it around and pleading it down to the minimal or 'least like Genesis' possible explanations.

These types of people (like seen in these Discovery Channel documentaries) are getting REALLY pissed off that Creationists wont accept their Plea Bargains.
Good!
I love it!
You dont 'Plea bargain' science and even if you did - the anti-genesis people are so ignorant with their blatant propaganda and these headgames they play on people like Freakersoup that I have no pity when Genesis Creationists just keep stomping them into the ground year after year.

Trickster.. it not really my job to rewrite 40 years of discoveries to you but you might have heard of accounts in the regions history and the modern follow ups on Sea shelves, sedimentary layers and just good ole common knowledge of hydrodynamics and such?
Here are some funny articles by people who are admitting creationists were right but are pretending otherwise and minimizing it as much as possible.
When you read a word like 'Evidence suggests' it probably means "Oh Shit.. we cant get out of this now"
http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues00/apr00/phenom_apr00.html
More crap
http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040809/pf/430718a_pf.html
Better stuff
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-crs/crs-blacksea.html

Just google Black Sea Flood like I did and there are shitloads of articles on the whole thing.
Again, most trying to, in a sense attribute this 'as if' it were 'the only thing' that somehow must be what the 'Noahs Flood' people are basing it on.
Then proceeding to spin it in a way that seems to 'explain it all away'.

In fact, this is just another plank in the Genesis Theory that is turning it from 'theory' into historical fact.

 

Do you really have no knowledge of continental uplift/mountain building?

 

There is not enough water on the planet to flood it. Plain and simple. Maybe instead of acting like an angry Campbell you should provide some evidence for your claims.

 

You really have no knowledge of the Genesis account and Science?
Maybe instead of your transparent 'who me?' faces , you two should start providing evidence for your claims?

Oh wait.. you believe in theories because you were told they 'must be true'.
Right ok.
Explains it all.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth, I could not of said it any better that that. Right on Brother.

 

ahh so many people like the hear themselves speak yet noone really says anything...

 

... and what a fine example you gave Tiki.

 

If both polar caps melted MAYBE the world would flood.

The "noah" and "gilgamesh" flood are based on Indo-European
accounts of the Black Sea Deluge in 5600bc, after the Ice Age
officially ended and the ice all melted away.

The tribes living on the southern and eastern banks all moved
south, into india, and the middle east, taking their story with them.

This was also the same times that the Celtic tribes started their way
across europe.

As to "world" floods, when your tribal area flooded, guess what, the
world flooded. 8000 years ago, the "world" wasn't thought of as a planet,
but your land.

 

that comet would have to be bloody huge
The comet apparently was huge, described as "mountains on fire falling from the sky." Imagine that for a minute or two.
if a comet were to cause a flood, it would have to be something like a mile in diameter (I think), and the impact would heat the atmosphere to 12000 degrees
Comets are made up of ice ~ that's frozen water. The friction of entry into earth's atmosphere does two things to huge cometary ice objects ~ 1] it creates enormous heat that vaporises the ice (H2O) causing the hydrogen and oxygen content to ignite and burn fiercely. 2] The heat melts volumes of ice into water vapour which subsequently causes sustained torrential rainfall.
The chunks of comet that impact with the earth obliterate into water vapour, the one's that hit the oceans cause tsunami's and water vapour. The addition of such volumes of water on earth creates widescale flooding, and extensive rainfall comes from water that condenses from high altitude vaporisation upon comet entry as well as the vapour from impact.
The canoe story or any story pertaining to survivors in boats is more than possible because not all of civilisation lives on the ocean shores or nearby. The people who survived were more likely inland where the force and volume of water had been dissipated. Only the survivors could tell of survival. The rest were gonners.
The maths for vertical ocean impact are interesting ~ the size of a tsunami is determined by the depth of the ocean to a proportion of 1:1 when impacted at 10,000 kph (Hale Bopp was doing 200,000 kph when it collided with Jupiter because of the huge gravity). That means that if the object hits where the ocean is 5km deep, the tsunami will be 5 km high!!!! A scary possibility. But then again if it hits where the ocean is "only" 1 km deep, a 1 km high tsunami results.
Anyways ~ if you're at all interested in scientific or historical validation, read the book Uriel's Machine. Simply dismissing possibility based upon yours or others ability to imagine invariably leads to limited undetrstanding.

 

Indeed! ~ many are the owls who know nothing other than the sound of their own hoot.

 

Thats insulting to owls man