Bye to BBB.

OK -5,000 posts here, and I feel it's time to get rid of the BBB ID.

Certainly, over the last couple of years my views have changed somewhat, and I now feel that Hinduism is not the path for me. I've just had too many negative experiences, and there are many things in Hindu philosophy I find unacceptable.

This is my personal trip, and I'm not saying it's no good for anyone - I still feel that one can learn from diverse traditions provided one has a critical spirit.
My view is that Sri Aurobindo is by far the leading thinker of modern Hinduism, but even there, I see many problems.

Anyway - no doubt I'll be back under a new ID.

I'd like to extend my best wishes to all on this board - SGB, CCP, Bro Jo, Kumar, Jedi, Phil and the rest. I'll be sure to let you all know when I have decided on my new virtual identity.

Love and Peace....

 

Bye BBB

See you with a new name
Dont cry too hard, I know life is beautifully unbearable at times, but its ok! Love to you and all

 

What difference would a new ID make to your existing ID.

And perhaps, in the interests of hindus and those who like hinduism , you can tell us about the negative points in hindu philosophy, so that we can improve upon that.

I am sure your criticism , will be constructive and help us a lot. We definitely believe in evolution.

 

Perhaps these words of J.Krishnamurthi will come in handy for you.





"There is no path to truth, because truth is a living thing, it is not a fixed, static, dead thing.."

"...I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organised... The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth...

Then you will naturally ask me why I go the world over, continually speaking. I will tell you for what reason I do this... As an artist paints a picture because he takes delight in that painting, because it is his self-expression, his glory, his well being, so I do this not because I want anything from anyone...

You are depending for your spirituality on someone else, for your happiness on someone else, for your enlightenment on someone else.... No man from outside can make you free..... No one holds the Key to the Kingdom of Happiness. No one has the authority to hold that key. That key is your own self, and in the development and the purification and in the incorruptibility of that self alone is the Kingdom of Eternity..."

Jiddu Krishnamurthy speaking on 3 August 1929 announcing the dissolution of the Order of the Star, Ommen Camp



So, my friendly advice to you , is to follow your own logic and intuitions, which is your true guru . They will guide you to the truth.

 

You can't escape...we'll know where you are and who you are...

understand completely; spook13 had run its course as well...looking forward to seeing your new handle.

 

He is also very humane and noble as well, as seen by the way he defended women and homosexuals, and by the way he fought against the idea of war, in the thread ' War and the Bhagavad Gita.'

I think he is a genuine seeker of truth, and he has an independent mind and a reasoning spirit and will go far.

So lets hope he reaches the truth. I am glad I made his acquaintance and got to knew him.

Life never ceases to amaze me with its beauty manifested in beautiful human beings like Bill Blake.

 

If you want to know what my criticisms of Hinduism are, you could look over some of the past threads here. I don't want to go over it all once again.

What difference does a new ID make? Perhaps it only makes a difference to me. When I started out with the BBB Id, I was seeing things quite differently than I now do. I don't want to go into personal details here, but lets just say that about ten years ago, I had some intense personal problems to which I responded in what I now see was a wholly inappropriate way, by abandoning the direction of the path I'd been pursuing up to then, and taking up with a 'spiritual teacher' whom I later realized was not quite what they appeared to be - or what I'd wanted them to be perhaps....either way, it has caused me great problems,and in some ways, I feel like it induced a period of stagnation in my life.
Unfortunately, as I say, it came about due to traumatic experiences, and in my somewhat weakened state at that time I saw following this particular teacher as a way of getting healed from the state I'd got into. This was a big mistake, as I think all it did was to prolong the negativity. But time heals, as they say, and as I've got back to feeling myself once more, so I have become disillusioned with much of the stuff I'd been filling my life with over a period of some years.

Over the last year, things have become much more clear to me. I am engaging in what new-agers would term a 'space clearing' exercise in many areas of my life - and it takes time, and there are ups and downs - finishing off BBB is part of this process.

In the end, spiritual experiences have to come from within, and to be rooted integrally in reality,and in the depths of the psyche, or else they are not very high level experiences, but have more of a quality of imagination about them. Taking on board some external religious philosophy and culture can actually be like a superimposition on reality.
That's why some Iskcon devotees for example, find it hard to make it stick - because it is something which is not deeply rooted in their psyche,or in the surrounding culture, but is something which an aspect of the conscious mind has latched onto and tries to impose on the rest of the being, and indeed, the external reality.

Religious dogma, philosophy etc all try to fix 'truth' in a particular form, and then end up mistaking the forms they have themselves constructed for 'truth'.

Anyway - I hope that helps explain my motives in doing away with BBB.

 

Have fun finding a new ID...hopefully we'll see you back here and all that jazz. Thanks to BBB for all the coorespondance over the years.

 

Hey , I thought you were gone.

Vaada is an indian system of logic.

Vaada: discussion; a kind of debate between two parties -- the exponent and the opponent -- on a particular subject. Each party tries to establish its own position and to refute that of the other, arguing against any theory propounded by the other. Both, however, are trying to arrive at the truth by applying the methods of reasoning and logic. This is an effective and efficient way to reach valid knowledge if both parties are honest and free from prejudices.

So if you are interested, let us argue through vaada or logic, and come to the truth through reasoning or logic.

As far as your threads against hindu philosophy is concerned, I have clearly debated you in the thread 'war and the bhagavad gita', and made you yourself say that you will fight a war if necessary. And that itself says it all.

I am ready to debate you in other threads as well, which you find unacceptable points of hindu philosophy, in order to come to the truth, and present the truth to all.

I think you should consider krishnamurtis suggestion which i posted above, and stop following any guru. Just follow your logic and intuitions. They are more than enough and will lead you to the truth. Take advice from books, nature and wise people that the divine or life or existence will bring before you without being attached to them , and forge your own path ahead.

Your nobility itself is proof that the God within you is trying to manifest itself more and more, like the fledging bird that tries to come out of its egg shell.

 

3 things - I did say I'd reply to any answers on this thread.


When I return under a new ID perhaps some debate will happen.

I have already given up following gurus.

 

Also wish to say that you are giving a lot of importance to your id and stuff, which is irrevalent and which shows a certain fickleness and wavering in your part and I think this attachment to name and stuff can be barriers in your search for truth because a strong mind and mental toughness, (not stubbornness) are important for forging your way to the truth and to discard the irrevalent.

Anyway, I may be wrong, and you are free to do whatever you want.

And how is that possible. I presume you are following your logic and intuitions, and that in itself is a guru. Nature is a guru, life is a guru, children are gurus, animals are gurus, virtually everything that teaches you wisdom and knowledge is a guru.

So I am afraid you are not free from gurus, even though you have given up external spiritual masters posing as gurus.

 

You are incredibly self contradictory, one moment it's 'give up gurus' the next 'you can't give up gurus becasue everythings a guru'.


If I were you, I'd save my advice for myself until I has at least achieved the possibility to remain consistent.

Rather that is, than offereing to those who frankly really don't need it.

 

Hare Krishna!

Dear BBB,

Whatever your new ID is, I hope, you will remain the same.... a seeker for the truth. Wish you all the best. It is not at all surprising that you have lost interests in the Hinduism. Without inviting any debate I would put my personal opinion that God has nothing to do with any religion. Pray that you will soon find your path to reach your goal. Faith is the greatest Guru, go ahead with that faith in your heart.

Love,

Kumar.

 

Relax, I was just having some fun with you. Sorry if you found me to be patronising.

But still what I said is logical. I only said you to give up external human gurus or stop following them blindly , not the guru within you or the other gurus you will find naturally in nature, animals, children and existence who are not patronising.

Get the point dude.Its very simple. And again I am not lecturing , but pointing out simple logic. You are free to disregard my suggestions if you don't want it. I really have no problems whatsoever.

Also I am your friend, not your preacher.

 

give some thought to coming back as a 16 year old girl... its lots of fun

plus don't tell anyone who you are/were or that you are an old member with a new alias

let someone figure it out

 

lol...well then I'll never figure it out. hehehe

 

Uhm, and what have you yourself constructed as the "truth" or the "un-truth" of things thereof? hmmm.

 

BlackBillBlake, I thought you left already. Why do you keep posting on this thread?
Good riddance. Perhaps, it's better that you left for good.

You never did contribute much of substance on this forum, other than your general negativity towards Hinduism anyway. Your continued presence here just gives out these bad vibrations. Perhaps, it's better that you left for good.
Good riddance.

In that case, well then, fuck off. We're hippies right? :jester:

 

Hare Krishna!

Dear Mandell,

There's something terribly wrong with you and you are a real pain to put up with. What Hinduism you are talking about ? People like you do not belong anywhere.

Love,

Kumar.

 

All the best Bill , I am glad to have read your views on things. They have helped me to closer examine some of my own views and alter them at times. Wishing you all the luck in the world with your search of things