can war be justified

I believe it can to an extent e.g. WW's if britain didn't stand up and fight against germany they would of killed us easy wouldn't they (or america against iraq) most people say that was wrong but i'm not so sure, because should they of left so damn insane in charge to murder and torture his own people?

i also think war should be the very last choice, e.g. try negotiaitating or sumthing

I hope for people to say why they think war can or can't be justified

 

the bad guy argument for the iraq war is bullshit because theres plenty of evil dictators in the world so why single saddam out? as for WWII, if the u.s. hadent shipped supplies to britain germany would have been able to starve them out. i also believe however, that the us should'nt have gotten involved in WWI


i also fail to see what "can war be justified" has to do with consumer advocacy

 

i think Nazi Germany and Iraq are in different leagues. Iraq was not a justified war. many dictators torture and murder their own people. isn't it hypocritic if we leave every other country who also does these said things?

wars have changed since the past, we are in a new era. you are right that war should be the very last choice, and even then still, i am very hesitant, i suppose it depends on a particular circumstance. the iraq war was not a last choice
peacex

 

yeah i also belive that america thought irag as bigger threat to them than most countries also they probably will atack other countries that torture there own people and a thret to america. i agree with you broth wood america should have tried other things before going to war, thanks for your opinions

 

your welcome, i do not believe the US will atack others for torturing their own people, there are other reasons, Bush didn't use the toture arguament as the strong point, untill the WMD and threat to West became invalid.
peacex

 

ok i don'ty know much about america really because i'm 13 year old english boy, all i know is what i hear

 

but u do believe that ww2 was justified yes?

 

oh don't worry, i don't expect anything, just giving my opinions, i study int.politics, so unfortuantely i see another side to the arguament.


WW2- probably justified at the time, even though a bit hypocritical stance that we were defending freedom from the British, but i would say it was a must. but warfare and the international system is no longer as the past
peacex

 

I think that war can be a just war & I believe the Allies fought a just war in 1939-45.

As for all the wars since 1945.I have difficulty with most of them.The Iraq War was based on W.M.Ds that did not exist ,although I think that Sadaam Hussein was himself: a weapon of mass destruction. What will Bush/Blair come up with to justify an invasion of Iran?.Of course: nuclear fission being re-directed into a weapons programme.

 

Only for the defenders, and only when their livelyhoods are being threatened. Beyond that quite frankly all offending armies and their soldiers are murdering huns and I have no sympathy for any of them that go willingly.

 

What about helping people you know would lose their lives unjustly?

 

I believe what goes around comes around, and that there is a time and a place for every thing under the sun.

If there should be war, I think it should only be to stick up for the underdogs.
You can't just let people be abused can you??

In my mind that's where this one got all warped. It is such a good thing to help topple saddam because he sucked. That was the good part...and if Bush had rallied all the countries behind him then it would have been perfect.

Then greedy people get involved with their agendas and tarnish the whole event and make it not good any more, and quite possibly worse. Now after 9/11 even more of our people are dead that really did'nt need to die...did they?

Does dieing so that others may live mebbe illustrate some valuable lesson??

 

every act of violence can be justified. It's in human nature to be violent. Frued even said it's our nature to kill. That killing and sex were our only motives. i don't buy into that, but i do belive that we have violence in our nature. Human is'nt perfect, the only good part of being human is feeling emotion, weather it's good or bad emotion feeling it is good.

 

I believe when all other options are exsahted then a war is just. I believe that the Allies were fighting a just war as they couldnt do anything else. But Americas war on Iraq was not just at all. In my opinion the only reason America went to war with Iraq was because of the petro-dollar.

You see oil in all the countries is sold in dollars, so America gets alot of income from other countries who need to buy the dollar in order to get oil. But Iraq changed their oil into Euros endangering the Americain ecominy. And what European country is not in Euros?? England who also joined in the war. The first thing America did after they invaded Iraq was change the oil bcak into dollars, thus the americain ecomomy was saved. Saddam was a bad man but he was made out to be alot worse than he was just to try and justify a selfish war. Alot of good soliders on both sides died because of this which i do not agree with.

 

hi thank you for your opinions there is one that i strongly disagree with though
HoneySuckleBlue said if you are fighting(at war) you should stick up for the underdogs, i disagree with this, you should fight for whats right, although this true most the time, i really dont think it is always

thanks again for your opinions

 

fight rite 4 duh wrong unreasonable probability that yoh iz ah azzhole for what
duh fagz tell uh on TV.

 

Violence begets violence. In World War II, Hiltler and Hirohito started the violence and we responded in self defense, which was our right. In Iraq, we invaded thier country, and the current insurgency we are seeing is Iraqi's defending thier country from our invasion and subsequent occupation, which is thier right.

Many people like to draw parallels between Vietnam and Iraq, I think this is inaccurate. If you want a more accurate parallel, I suggest you read up on French occupied Algiers in the 1950's and Soviet occupited Afghanistan in the 1980's. Those two conflicts ended badly for the occuping forces and our occupation of Iraq will end badly. The only real question is how many dead will finally be too many.

 

Given that Bush probably cant count too well, I think the dead in Iraq will get to the millions before the decade is through. Even "just wars" have unjustifyable attrocities. WWII is the most just war I can think of, and yet look at the Soviet (we fought with them) attrocities.....Stalin has more blood on his hands than Hitler. Even the western forces killed needlessly. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasake were completely wrong, and if Germany had lingered on a few more months, they would have nuked them too, just to show that they can. it is really evil, i believe, to kill innocents for the purpose of saving innocents. To link this to a modern scenario, I full-heartedly support the Palestinian resistance, but it pains me when innocent Israeli's are killed because it makes the resistance as a whole seem like some terrorist rebellion, which it is not. The IDF are the real terrorists, but when a Palestinian kills an innocent Israeli, it just gives the whole resistance a bad name. The same could be said of many other oppressed countries. If you look at Putin's treatment of Chechnya, it is one of the worst attrocities of our time, and it will likely end in a mushroom cloud, but the Chechens who killed the kids in Beslan completely screwed their cause over. I support the Chechen resistance, but to kill Innocent (not even Russian) kids is plain evil and hinders Chechnya's progress. these fanatics represent a small fraction of the resistance, and so the resistance as a whole should not be judged on their actions. My problem with military is that the same people who ordered the liberation of concentration camps also send hundreds of thousands of innocent germans to die on the streets of Dresden. There is no such organization of the resistance in oppressed countries like Palestine, Tibet, Chechnya, Chiapas, and Darfur.

 

When a thing is done too often it becomes easier and easier to do. One man kills one man and there is great pain even in the heart of the killer. Kill 50 million and it becomes like swatting flies or stepping on ants. It is not that war is justified...it is that it is done so often and for so few really good reasons (as if there are any) that we search for excuses to keep doing it. Justification reinforces the cycle of war and more war. what we need is a new way of seeing and thinking to break the cycle and to clense the earth of the desire for war. Do we desire war? Walk thru the toy isle in a store and see the toy guns and grenades. Look at the most popular video games to see what we as a species truely crave.

I have an idea...the next time lets collectively decide to JUSTIFY not having the war. Lets JUSTIFY not killing and see if it feels better.

 

sorry i didn't rly get wot onlyone was saying, can u please explain,

we from a very young play with toy soldiers and the like, it becomes the norm and that is all it is like for presidents but if one president(prime minister) worked too break this cycle, the next one will think twice and that will become the norm, has wot i said made sense?

thanks again