Noahs ark. How do you propose it happened? How did the kangaroos get to the middle east from Australia, the elks from Norh America, the lemurs from Madagascar, etc? How were they fed on the ark for the 375 days they were at sea (a lion alone, for instance, needs over 5000lbs of fresh meat a year, an elephant 164,250lbs of food a year). Even if the rediculous amounts of food could be stored, it would rot long before the flood is over. The bible says the flood covered the highest peak on earth (Mt. Everest) by 15 cubits (22.5 feet). How did they not freeze to death and/or asphyxiate being so high? What did the animals, not to mention Noah & company, eat when they got off the ark. All the plantlife was obviously destroyed so no food for the herbivores, and carnivores wouldn't be able to eat because any animal eaten would cause an entire species to go extinct. These are just a few of the problems, but the first ones that I could think of. So...what have you guys got as a response/explanation?
Okay, I'll make a few suggestions for you. The pre-flood Earth does not have to have had the same land masses the Earth after the flood has. Also God may have assisted Noah in the gathering the animals. The Ark was very large. Lions eat meat but they can also live on hay and grain, hay and grain does not rot quickly. Again, the pre-flood Earth and the present day Earth do not have to resemble each other. The pre-flood earth may not have had a Mt. Everest or even mountains at all, thus it would take a whole lot less water to flood the earth. The weight of the water after the flood may have formed the mountains and the under water canyons we now have, That's just off the top of my head, maybe someone else would like to answer the rest.
the Quran mentions that there was a "gushing of water" that killed the people of Noah for their sin but it doesn't mention a world wide flood and it clearly implies that there was dry lands because Noah's son told his father that he would go up on the mountain to avoid drowning when suddenly a wave came and swallowed him. so obviously the entire earth was not submerged under water.
Th flood story in the bible comes from the Babylonians and Mesopotamians, and Sumerians. It is also found in Hindu mythology, Greece and Rome, etc. It may or may not be based on an historical local or global flood. Check this paper out.
A worldwide flood is improbable because of the drainage problems. (Of course, if you take the position God can do anything, who could argue?) I think there could have been some kind of great flood like the one in the Black Sea 7,600 years ago, or possibly the Caspian Sea, that became imprinted into the legends of various cultures in the region and became amplified by hyperbole as the stories were retold. We have a basic decision to make. Is it plausible that all those animals got onto an Ark? I think not. I think the Sumerian flood story became the basis for the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic and the Epic of Atrahasis, which was picked up by the Israelites who wrote Genesis, just as the Creation story is influenced the Babylonian creation myth--although in both cases there were important variants. Fortunately, I don't think biblical literalism is a prerequisite for being a Christian.
4-6000 years ago [The age of the earth, apparently ] Mt Everest probably wasn't the highest peak. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n8ls6 (It's on Youtube - but can't access Youtube at work) One 'expert' said that just the sheer size the Ark would have had to be would make it impossible. There is a limit to the size a wooden boat can be. Scientists have identified 1.4 million different species. There could be upto 30 million different species. If God helped - he was very, very busy.
Most convincing thing I've seen is the flood legend relates to the Black Sea inundation as mentioned above post #5. Rising sea levels from melting glaciation caused inland basin to flood. Core samples from bottom of Black Sea confirm this. Sea level rising at the time leads to other similar stories from other peoples. Noah's Ark ? OP , you've got to be trolling or joking..
Do you think you have to believe it all, and take it literally (what some might call a 'fundamentalism') - Or do you think it is open to interpretation (you pick and choose what you wish to believe - some might say having the best of both worlds)?
Keep in mind that it took Noah about 100 years to build the Ark. The Ark must have been massive if that is kept in mind. Also to keep in mind is that these animals may have been young and would be more tame and require less resources which may not have been a problem anyway since a hundred years you can acquire a lot of storage for the journey. As someone else said, all land mass perhaps were connected. Even if this weren't true, you wouldn't need every single species of cat in order to preserve all the species of cats such as Bob Cats, Tigers, Lions, etc. Each kind, such as the cat kind, holds with it DNA cargo for all the other variations of that kind. This would go for all the other animals such insects (which may not have required a ride, they could have burrowed underground and survived). So instead of having 200 million animals on board, you could maybe have tens of thousands, if that. All of Noah's family could have eaten chicken eggs and other produce coming from the animals along with other supplies. Who knows what sort of preserving methods they had back then or God may have shown them (may preserved in salt). An interesting tidbit is that they actually took with them 7 of every 'kind' of clean animal. The extra "animal cargo" could have been to do with food supply because clean animals can be eaten or gathered food from while unclean cannot. "Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate,". Maybe they reproduced chickens and ate them. Chickens have more protein per acre than cows and require less resources to reproduce.
Is it possible that Noah took the DNA from each species and not actually the whole animal into the Ark?
Yes, millions of years ago. Not thousands of years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYbTNFN3NBo&NR=1&feature=fvwp"]650 Million Years in under 2 minutes - YouTube
Haha, I was about to post the same.. Anyway, I personally have no doubt there was a flood but I seriously doubt it covered the whole earth (actually I don't doubt that, it didn't cover the whole earth). I also believe the story of Noah and his boat full of wild animals is not ment to be taken literally. Same with the story of creation in genesis for example.
That's why I asked: Do you think you have to believe it all, and take it literally (what some might call 'fundamentalism') - Or do you think it is open to interpretation (you pick and choose what you wish to believe - some might say having the best of both worlds)?
If your mind clearly has a problem with a certain aspect of your religion it is unwise to accept it as your personal faith. Accepting everything that is told you in the form of a dogma for example is not your personal conviction/faith/believe anyway. But I am not committed to one religion myself. I have no problem with 'fundamentalists' or people who take everything literally by definition. Some like to commit themselves without bothering other people with it which I think is very awesome and respectable in some cases.
I posted a link to a programme earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oju_lpqa6Ug"]Conspiracy Road Trip: Creationism - YouTube I guess it depends the type of person. One of the chaps (Phil: the big guy) is a complete **** on the other hand some of the others are a lot more affable.