CIA and Waterboarding

Senator McCain was recently a guest on ‘The Tonight Show’ with Jay Leno.
The host asked him a question pertaining the infamous waterboarding interrogation torture tactic still being used by the CIA.

Jay Leno,’ Senator, you were a POW in Vietnam, you know what it means to be tortured, why are we still practicing waterboarding?’

Senator McCain,’ Oh, yeah. We used to prosecute the Japanese officers after the WWII for using waterboarding on their prisoners. Gorge W. Bush supports it and I support our President. We do it because it saves American lives.’


Hold your horse cowboy. Back off!


Here what I have to say,


Question # 1: If it was cruel and inhumane for the Japanese punishable by American law, why is it O.K. for the Americans to practice waterboarding,
condemned by Human Rights and supported by the Congress?!


Question # 2: ‘ If this interrogation tactic saves American lives, why it wasn’t O.K. to save Japanese lives?!’


Question # 3: When other countries break the law, Great Britain and the U.S. prosecute those countries in the International Court of Law in Hague, The Nederland. When Great Britain and the U.S. break the law, who prosecutes them?

The floor is all yours.

 

McCain's biggest priority now is winning over right-wing-nuts. He calls it "uniting the party."

Those wing-nuts like torturing people. Especially them thar Ay-RABS.

 

You mean the same "Ay-RABS" that shoot school kids in class and then give out candy to celibrate?
The "Japs" didnt use waterboarding. They would cut open your scrotum and unravel your testicals till you talked. Lots different... Learn your history before you open mouth and insert foot...

 

watch out the mods are gunna get you for talking like that

and like that guy really gives two shits about some dirty arab @%@%@ getting tortured.(I know the "arab" people all too well, even the saudi's are bastards republicans just use them for oil...)

 

I know my history quite well. I'm just not pissed off about it.
This all sounds very personal, angry, bitter (and frankly, bigoted). I can tell by your tone you're not capable of having an open-minded discussion -- at least on politics. That's a shame.

 

Hahaha, bigot thats funny. Facts are facts. I dont make them just post them. No anger, not bitter. If you want to know what the "Japs" did to get info why dont you go ask a ex-POW from WWII like my grandfather. You are just uninformed. Thats a shame.

I see nothing in the forum rules about having to be PC or that free speech isn't welcome here.

 

Nothing really to debate. It's wrong, and everyone agrees that it's wrong. Welcome to Nazi Germany.

 

Senator McCain said so on 'the Tonight Show'!
You can listen to the tape. I'm not making it up.

 

Where do you get this "everybody" junk? This isn't a "cookie cutter" world. A little water in yer mouth isnt tourture to me.

 

They used a form of it but they wouldnt stop after they got their info. They, back then finished the job. Im not for it or against it. I just like the debate.

 

lol pouring water in someones face is not even torture, waiting to be beheaded, is torture, being fed into a meat grinder is torture, being chained up and stabbed/beated/electrocuted is torture, when you see what other countries do pouring water on someone's face seems a little bit more humane

 

I love you man but you are still clueless...

 

Brother, it's been real. I have to go tend to my 4 and 6 year olds.
Thanks for keeping me on my toes! I need this kind of mental workout now and then. Keeps you sharp. I feel like I was just on "Crossfire."

You're a good debater. You know which strings to pull. I respect that.

Hope to argue with you again soon!

Peace all.

 

Lol, Thanks... Its all good...

 

I’ve been reading about waterboarding a lot recently in Dahlia Lithwick’s columns on Slate Magazine. Our civil rights community is in high dundeon about violating the civil rights of individuals who are interrogated using this method.



Who is being subjected to the waterboarding technique? I am sure that it is employed to extract actionable information from suspects. Just this month the federal Government arrested 62 members of The Gambino Crime Syndicate. These wise guys with colorful nicknames have all kinds of secret information about murders, money laundering, narcotics, ect. Will these Mafioso be subjected to waterboarding? We might after all find Jimmy Hoffa’s body or John Gotti’s lost millions!



If I am pulled over while driving and am found with a QP of marijuana in my car trunk will I be subject to waterboarding as a way to get me snitching on my suppliers?



Something tells me no to each question; though there remain considerable coercive tools remaining available to the police to induce me to snitch. I might be put into a jail cell where my anal virginity will be at risk!



In any instance detention would hardly be a comfortable experience, I mean the whole purpose of arrest is to confine and control the prisoner and extract information by means of fear and discomfort. I am sure that authorities have all kinds of methods of cohercement. Waterboarding or not. Perhaps families of prisoners could provide some details here.



But back to the question, why waterboarding. Why are journalists committing so much ink to the pursuit of justice for these victims? Who are these victims that they are so sympathetic and so deserving of the solicitous attention of our civil rights community?

It seems that only a very select few persons were subject to the terrible experience of waterboarding and that those persons were suspected to be waging a terror attacks against Western Nations. Those who were water boarded are not even American citizens, and not under constitutional protection.



Why waterboarding, it seems to be a rarely used tactic employed on only a very special type of prisoner, yet our civil rights community seems to be drawn to protesting this practice to the exclusion of all other coercive methods. Almost like the sexual voyeur who, bored with vanilla sex loses interest in all but the most kinky and exotic practices.

Are garden variety victims of police abuse are seen as too inconsequential for investigative reporters?



No! I am told, it is courage! The courage to take on the Bush administration and its abusive practices. The courage to stand up and say what is wrong.



Well I am going to reply that it is just the opposite, it is cowardice, that waterboarding is a safe outlet for journalistic posing and posturing. Were The Left to campaign against doggy sniff car searches and heat seeking home photographs is might be seen as being soft on crime. Advocacy for victims of marijuana prosecution are somewhere way down on the list under baby seals and Christmastime manger displays on public property.



Those famous Soccer Moms with such weight in the US Electoral College might see a campaign for marijuana reform as a threat to little junior.



Little junior, hotboxing in his room with that terrible rap music made by those awful African Americans and their threatening dark colored blunts. Not like the nice teensy white joints mummy used to puff on back when Ronnie Ray gun was president.

Nah, we can’t have a campaign for marijuana reform if it is going to drive all of those Soccer Moms over to vote with that Dick Cheney and those evil Republicans.



If the civil rights community had any real courage they would devote more effort to reforming marijuana laws right here at home.

 

Piney,

That was quite a posting.

 

They are people who have had no trial, have little real evidence to suggest they are a threat. I find it ridiculous that people can even suggest that it isn't that bad. Before you can say that, I think you may just have to go through the same experience. (and no, your grandfather going through a similar experience doesn't count) . All information gained through torture is unreliable anyway. I also find it stupid that people don't seem to care about people's rights simply because they are not US citizens. If that isn't bigoted, then nothing is.

 

this isn't your hanky panky 16 year old suburban life, when you are at war with a group of people I think pouring water on their face to get information is okay, and you are making gross generalizations... how can you say ALL information gained through torture is unreliable? that is just... when you are a prisoner of war you have basic human rights, but do any of our enemies show that?? in ANY way? NO. How can you declare that it is torture if you have never experienced it? It pales in comparison to what other nations have done and CONTINUE to do to this day!

 

waterboarding isn't just pouring water on someones face. its simulated drowning while restrained on your back. nothing like just having water poured on your face