Conclusive evidence that God does not exist

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Meagain, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Okay, let me set this up.

    You are an intelligent person. You are rational, reasonable, and at least moderately educated.
    You have your limitations, but don't we all.

    Now imagine that you were omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent. In other words, you know all, are all powerful, exist everywhere, and have infinite goodness.
    Next, imagine that you wanted to create a universe or world. Make a list of what you would want. In ink. Look at it; remember all knowing, all powerful, always present, infinitely good. Make any needed changes.

    Now the proof:
    Put the list in your pocket. Hop into your car. Drive to the nearest WalMart. Get out, walk inside, stand by the check outs, reach into your pocket and get out your list. Look at it, now look around.

    Case closed.

    Or turn on your TV.
     
  2. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    what you've actually proven, if anything, is that what every belief and person who does so, claims to know about it, they have made up themselves.

    that IS a good exercise, and more people SHOULD do it.
    it doesn't prove that totally non physical things can't be totally non-imaginary. but it does demonstrate how self contradicted claims of knowledge about them are.

    i too, do not believe in the need for anything to be infallible, nor that the nature of reality is in any way, hierarchical.

    but i do believe non-physical things can and do exist. because they don't need to be any of that all-this and that to do so. nor to be something harmful unless they support some non-visible hierarchy humans have chosen to imagine for their own human reasons.
     
  3. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Just means there is no accounting for taste.
     
  4. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    ok so i went to the store to see what i could see . i saw a
    holy sister levitate above the crowd and wave and smile at
    me . i don't really know why . perhaps she had no intention
    to buy anything either . itsa a curious and happy memory now .
     
  5. psychedelicpiper

    psychedelicpiper Member

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    LOL The silly arguments people come up with. Sorry, but considering the journey I've been walking through in life, it'd be unintelligent for me to say God doesn't exist. Ah, but not everyone understands. You only see what your five senses tell you.

    I respect the agnostics, because a lot of them don't just look through the constructs of our culture, nor base their knowledge solely off textbooks.
     
  6. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    the senses may inform , then by your philosophy you choose
    from all of that what shall be related to .
     
  7. psychedelicpiper

    psychedelicpiper Member

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    Hard to tell what you said from your grammar, although I don't blame you if English isn't your first language.

    I try to look at things outside myself, too. I don't believe everything is chance, especially when there's so many uncanny occurrences in my life. And I believe there is more than enough evidence out there of the supernatural.

    I would actually say our system and the media have done a lot to keep people from being aware of the mass revivals and miracles going on around the world. It's all politics. Those in positions of power aren't willing to look outside themselves past worldly gain. They want to keep us spiritually dead, because if we discover our true potential, then that means we're under the power of something that they can't control.

    They label it all as religion, under the pretense that they're not trying to side with one belief system over another. But if they were truly unbiased, they'd investigatively report it, rather than ignore it altogether.
     
  8. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    my grammer is exactly fine . in describing the 'space' of
    your philosophy you responded relationally and appropriately .
     
  9. psychedelicpiper

    psychedelicpiper Member

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    Well, I think I understand what you're saying, but the thing is I'm attempting to look past my five senses. See outside myself, and take into account occurrences that modern science can't explain.

    The trouble with our Western society is that it's always been on polar extremes. You have the overly strict, religious moral right that rejects science. Then you have the people extremely influenced by science and reason who reject spirituality.

    Who says that spirituality and science cannot both co-exist and be true? The shamans have been successful in integrating both into their lives.

    Since when did evolution have to disprove God? What if evolution is the direct action of God developing creation? And science is the framework within which He developed it?
     
  10. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    some people adopt science as a philosophy when it
    is simply a professional dicipline . employed as a life
    philosophy it is retreat and conform . non-conformists
    will be banished .
     
  11. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    There's nothing conclusive about this 'evidence'.
     
  12. PEACEFUL LIBRA

    PEACEFUL LIBRA DAMN RIGHT I'M A WEIRDO

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    What a waste of forum
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    We need a little humor from time to time...that was my attempt.
     
  14. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    is god evidently funny ? my weird old grandpa died and thought that ... eventually .
    then yesterday my dad laughed just like that , like grandpa did dead . i think it
    was a revelation for dad , and it didn't come too late , so he can make something
    good of it .
     
  15. LetLovinTakeHold

    LetLovinTakeHold Cuz it will if you let it

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    Going to Walmart only proves that God has a sense of humor....especially at 3:00am
     
  16. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    off the wall mart proves nothing about god, or any other unseen thing.

    but it certainly demonstrates the level of absurdity, what they want to believe about the nonphysical, can be used as an excuse for.
     
  17. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    raise the absurdity level now .
    normalized absurdity shall die
    from uselessness .

    or watch tv at walmart ?

    retreat and conform . the walmart greeter
    no longer exists . conclusively , it is the
    end times .
     
  18. Okiefreak

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    Funny you should mention WalMart. I have my most intense religious experiences there. Jesus and Satan hang out there regularly, and I often encounter them in the checkout lines.

    You might consider changing your methodology to get better results. After looking at the list and turning around, go up to the people you see, fold your hands, bow, and say:Namaste. (You probably should do this mentally, lest they hit you or call the guys in the white coats with the butterfly nets). If you don't get results on the first try, keep trying. And if that still doesn't work, say (to yourself) "jesus" and open your heart to the Holy Spirit. Will it work? I've found it's like my Jewish grandma's chicken soup. It works for me, and it can't hurt. What will you find? God. Heaven.

    "The Kingdom of the Father is spread out everywhere upon the earth and people do not see it." (Thomas:113)
     
  19. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    anything in religion, claiming to be about anything in science, is just as evil, as anything in science, claiming to be about anything in religion, is absurd.

    the only thing that can be proven by a book, whether it was written yesterday, or a million years ago, is that books, are capable, of being written.
     
  20. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    serious scientists often have absurd hobbies ... like SETI
     

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