Consider voting for Ralph Nader tomorrow

Even though your vote probably won't count.

http://www.votenader.org/issues/
http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/ralph-nader/18/gay-rights/15/
http://ontheissues.org/Ralph_Nader.htm

Wouldn't it be awesome if a guy like this could win?

 

yeah I voted for him last election. I know a guy from college that works for him. he's a cool guy. he's pretty old though and there's no way in hell he'll ever get elected. I think it would be cool if we had an actual democracy with several parties instead of our democrazy. ah well I'll still vote for obama tomorrowl. I think it would be a hell of an improvement. and if I'm wrong we're close to reset anyway.

 

i like nader better than 'the two'

but can see a glimmer of difference between them as well

in montana a vote for obama would actually count for something

but i took the pledge [refuse to participate in their meaningless democracy]

 

Sorry dude, but you can't make choices you don't have. Your pledge is meaningless, because you act by not acting.

 

you would be right about that

most of my personal choices are just that, personal, internal, voluntary living choices

not doing [to me] is just as valid as doing as doing has never really worked

jesus and gandhi tried doing

the end result was the the moral majority and partition

[my glum perspective]

 

maryjohn-

i do not always makes this clear [if i ever do]

when i argue in here i am not arguing for myself

i need nothing

my wife and i sell our $25 a day worth of discarded books and postcards and whatever else we can scrounge up, and we can pay our rent and utilities and ebay bill and eat our beans and rice

but all around us are families with 2 working parents and unattended kids in underfunded schools with nothing to do once school lets out, rising gas prices [and oil profits] and food prices and housing costs, no health care, no future apart from their dreams for those undereducated kids

anyone with any ambition leaves this town at the age of 20, and returns at the age of 60 to die

the town itself, like most in the region, is slowly dying through neglect and lack of funds to improve anything or attract business or make itself pleasant enough that people would want to stay

all of those people voting based on their fears that the 2 gay people within 500 miles of here might meet and get married

my arguing is a means of letting off frustration in an otherwise happy life

i expect it to change as little as my vote would

[change comes from within]

 

It ain't over til the sun explodes.

Get out and vote, brother.

 

even if i believed...

i have no current form of identification [no car for years and too lazy/cheap to get the non-driving thing either]

it's funny, i had not needed one until a friend in cali offered me a job cataloguing books for him

good money, a chance to see old friends, smoke pot [hard to find here], hear some live music, what have you

i realized i could not even get on a bus [we have no air service] without id anymore

[the only time i've missed it]

 

You must live in California. But guess what I think I've turned a few votes on Prop 8. I just smile and say have you voted or are planning to vote and they say oh yeah it's important. How should I vote. And I say well I voted no on Prop 8. They usually say what's that about. I say same sex marriage and they say: Oh yeah I'll vote No on that too.

Thing is I don't explain.

I voted Nader twice I won't do it this time it's too important this time around. If republicans want to write in Paul or vote Bob Barr that's fine. But Ralph let us down this time. He waited to long to make his play, and the only mailings I get from him are asking for money.

 

and to be fair

i would actually vote for obama for one reason

[not because he is a socialist]

because i am a 'racist' [as defined by the pro-white, i mean pro-right, crowd]

i might have even been able to put a gun to my head and supported hillary from my equally 'sexist' perspective...

i am thrilled that amerikkka will have a black president, and the rest of the world [especially the non-euro world] must be too

[oh to be in kenya today!]

 

this is an improvement from when you were insisting i was chinese

but no, as previously stated, i live 30 miles from the montana-north dakota border

if i lived in cali [as i once did] there would be a hell of a lot more than 2 gay people around, no?

actually there are more of them than that here too, they just keep a REAL low profile

although montanans' real hatred is reserved for indians...

 

Do you have a vote measure on same sex marriage/union? It amazes me the number of people against this because in some sense it demeans heterosexual marriage. Haven't heterosexuals actually taken the meaning out of marriage with their concept that if it doesn't work they can always get out of it with no fault divorces? Allowing same sex unions I don't think is going to make them gay. It's only going to allow for one partner to protect another legally and financially.

I have no problem with any one wanting to make a lasting commitment to another.

 

not that i am aware

it's just that the fear-mongering works here as well as it does in orange county

there's a guy i see who drives a van that has PAINTED on its side something like-

'brian schweitzer supports man-on-man marriage'

schweitzer being montana's coal-friendly gun-friendly centrist governor [d]

 

I am far away from Orange County. I am in what is called locally Cow County.

California is huge state, probably where I live is closer to what where you live looks like.

 

where do you live?

the last place i lived in cali was in tehachapi, the butt end of the sierras

the last place i WANTED to live would have been alturas, way the hell up there in the high and dry

[have also lived in sf, east bay, high desert, la, and even orange county]

 

Same around my area. But I have to say in my area there is no real racial hatred. At least not openly. Too many of us around here that would whomp some sense in people that felt that way. Or at least stand up and wrap our arms around our Indian, Mexican, Black friends for the rednecks to back off. Racists seem to be a weak willed bunch around here that only have strength in white sheeted numbers. And they don't pull that around here because their neighbors would unmask them and make them out for the cowards they actually are.

But on the gay front, they are a little weak willed. Not sure why. Perhaps because they think if they support a gay it makes them gay and they think their balls will shrink.

 

there is another local who flies a big-ass confederate flag in the bed of his truck

[i was previously unaware that montana was a southern state]

most people in this town have never spoken to anyone not of german or scandinavian descent, so i am not sure where all of this coming from...

 

Protectionism. But it's unfounded.

 

I am in Tehama County. Have friends in Alturas.

 

sheesh

to look at this place, your first thought might be

'if they want it, they can have it'



the truest picture of montana ever drawn was that charley russell sketch of a starving cow surrounded by wolves