Corporate America

What makes "big corporations" so bad?

 

they are started and run by capitalists

hippies dont like capitalists


they prefer commune-ism

 

a corporation is a separate entity which will always put its own profit and growth above anything and everything else. it's pretty difficult to sue a corporation too because of lack of ownership, it's an arbitrary immortal construct. it also disrupts an idealistic capitalistic system that supports fair and equal competition. now don't exaggerate "fair and equal" to mean socialism in any way, socialistic systems means no competition domestically.
this system we live in does not have fair, equal competition, and that's one of the factors that make it a slave and slave driver system.

 

^^ This.

Also, because it puts profit first, it treats employees and customers alike like shit. Corporations OWN America and allow poor quality items, less quantities of food, etc.

 

greed....:-/

 

The big corporations are a perfect example why capitalism does not work. When you are one of the top dogs it works for you, and a few dozen other people. It fucks everyone else over though, worker and even the costumer. It was not always like this though. I believe one reason big corporations such as; Nike, Reebok, Adidas, Walmart, Fred Meyer, The Gap, Safeway, Nordstrom, Hot Topic, General mills, just a few to name have sold-out the American people. The supply became to high and in order to keep their personal profits the same they had to find cheaper labor, so they went over seas.

I worked for the second biggest Safeway in Oregon for two years. I ran the whole frozen foods department. I would order everything, check my paper work to see if I got everything that we were paying for. A vast majority of the product is sold 80% to 300% more than what it costs to make, and the best deal is when you by five. Five dinners only 10dollars they say! It was disgusting what we bought and what we sold it at. I looked at the paper work everyday. Then firms come from the warehouse. They send you a # of product based off of a % from last year that you must sell, on top of what you already ordered. They would send me 8foot pallets of food I didn't need and had to cram it into the shelf. The system is so fucked up because the guys at the top, again, are looking at numbers and haven't a clue what I really need. Before holidays such as thanksgiving and christmas they would send me ice cream months ahead that was almost bad by the time i put it on the shelf. If they let me order it when we needed it the product would have a healthier expiration date. Every department had to deal with this. Let me just say, in big chain grocery stores, DO NOT buy anything seafood or meat. Unless you work there you have no idea how it’s handled in the back room. Their are even times where they would send a pallet of product from the warehouse after cleaning their freezer. Almost all of the product was a week to expiration; I was forced to sell it. People bought it like crazy too.

From what i learned it’s all the same everywhere else.

I suggest you watch the documentary The Corporation. It’s a great film that shows just how ugly America’s corporations are. They are stealing jobs all over the country because they "are cheap". Everyone is forced to buy from one or two stores. Buy cheap products don't expect it to last, so you will end up buying even more, and that’s just what they want, sell you cheap shit so you are forced to buy more.

If corporations were brought down and small business came into the picture one specialization in garden stuff, others in cars, sports equipment, music, anything everything. The country would make more money and households could afford more.

Look at the fortune 500 companies and how many of them make their product overseas.

These corporations are destroying our country and in their own way, they are like a 2nd government, filled with pure evil.

Stop supporting them are see the change you want, and even a job.

Here is the documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y"]YouTube - ‪THE CORPORATION [1/23] What is a Corporation?‬‏

The whole film is on youtube. Its long, but very very good. I strongly suggest and pass it on.

 

Broony pretty much said everything I wanted to say.

Another reason that corporations are so horrible, besides being entirely greedy and profit-motivated, is that they basically own the government. Most large industries install powerful lobbyists in Washington to crusade for their self-interests, they hire powerful PR firms to make them appear in the best possible light, and they pump billions of dollars into the pockets of various politicians. Corporations are very dangerous to the foundation of a government ruled by the people for the people.

 

both communism and capitalism work on a small scale. Small communes are wonderful. Small, local economies are equally as wonderful. Neither work on a large scale.

 

they basically buy their influence by financing political campaigns- the cost of which generally eclipses what pay over a single term many times over- so until a way can be found to ensure that running for office does not cost any money- or at very least doesn't reach a point that necessitates corporate money, we'll need to accept that those in office will already have sacrificed their integrity before even being sworn in... and likely have taken a virtual shit on the Constitution.

Funny how the past couple administrations have violated the Constitution yet people still think it's relevant.

 

Many of you probably already know this, but I just wanted to point out that in January 2010 the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people and can donate unlimited funding to political campaigns.

 

Not that it really surprises me, but I actually had no idea.

The blame for the rise of corporate America lies squarely on the shoulders of the Supreme Court. They've been ruling in favor of corporations, the Constitution be damned, more and more frequently in the last few years.

 

I agree with most of what's been said here, but you are missing one important point. At least some large corporations are a necessary evil because there are business tasks so large and complex that small companies cannot or should not handle them. Would you want to fly in a large jet airplane built by a company with 12 employees, or fly with an airline that had only trained and supervised 2 other pilots in the past? That doesn't sound very safe. The next time you drive over a giant highway bridge or past a large electric power plant or oil refinery, look closely at these things and try to imagine a small company drying to deal with the complexities of building or operating such things. Impossible. And where would new life-saving drugs come from if we had no corporations large enough to spend millions on research? No mom and pop drug company is ever going to cure cancer.

We just have to keep regulating these giants. Doing a better job of looking over their shoulders is the best thing we can do here. Most of us will never want to give up all the things that big companies can do for us.

 

corporations are communes of shareholders


everyone hates them ...unless they own some shares

 

i see your point, but i hate the way people fret over this point. what is happening in china, india, south america?? i do not agree with sweat shops, but let us remember that the standard of living of these nations has improved dramatically because of fdi. in fact, fdi has increased in china so much recently, i swear this sweat shop / cheap labour thing is massively on the decline. they are buying american currency to keep exports artificially cheap - why would they exploit themselves for this demand unless they realise the tru profit power that is has created. china, to further this, is more or less a state capitalist country - so it is not taken lightly.

basically, overseas (africa now, also) are willing accepting and attempting to attract fdi. we have the wto which insures a safe trade off between countries.

the big problem with this argument is, that for an economy to stay even remotely controlled - which is has done, inflation and income have to be concurrent. so obviously, high price tags are compensated for the most part by higher wages. notice the inflation of a product in one country to the next - obviously, some people fall into the cracks, but people with lower incomes cannot expect to afford better products in a capitalist regime. i don't think a bin man and a doctor should be paid the same.

i worked for tesco for a number of years and would have been bollocked for doing that. so that's personal choice and an individual company - it is wrong but not stone cold fact. it wastes money, not always businesses will do this.

handling is the workers responsibility. the people who expect a silver spoon in the mouth, the same as the bastard rich guys, are treating your food like shit. i don't understand where the effort is here.

nope.

economies of scale though. larger businesses offer cheaper products. this is why you were talking about the cheap export thing right, because it seems like a contradiction of terms. buy meat in a supermarket, and then a butcher - the price is clearly different (but so is the quality, but that's the ultimate trade off).

economies of scale. it would become much more expensive to produce goods, exports would die and indigenous supply differs between countries. you are talking richardian economics here, and comparative advantage - i wont go into it now but it is very idealistic, and ultimately, larger countries will manipulate the smaller ones.

lots of 'em.

democracy and capitalism are entwined. there are pros and cons. i mean, the government has been busy giving out benefits like candy of late, a system that has proven not to work since 2008 - because of this governments world over and broke and the system, your jobs, everything has been obliterated by tax hauls and terrible cuts. businesses lost out, and ironically, it is put down to the private sector over the next few years to increase employment by ever increasing capitalism. so it will, ultimately, save what an equal state fucked in the first place. i mean, public sector cuts, as everybody knows, are what the big problem is.

the argument i'm sure is great, capitalism is a bad thing in terms of individualism. but as a means of concept - it is fantastic. i mean, socialism is a great concept even, but it is when it transcribes to communism and thereon you see - people are people, and there are a few who fuck the system entirely.

i don't think anybody realises just how much you get taxed if you earn more money - case in point, a man can work all his life and make a personal fortune

then die

and what happens is he gives away 40% of that wealth to the government, who hand it to the unemployed. if people want to talk morales, where's the justification?


for the record, this is an answer to the thread, but i thought your post was more interesting

 

this thread is full of silliness

 

the problem with this, also, is if this was true to the nth degree (it does happen)

i t fails to take into account unemployment, gdp, and internal competitiveness. lobbying may occur, but the bigger the business

the stronger the economy. the stronger the economy

the more jobs. and not just in big businesses, in every corner of the economy. i believe in liberalism and the advantages, that people forget about, clearly outweigh the reservations. a mixed economy of massive enterprise, and sme's (small medium businesses) is vital to a largely relevant economy.

 

Corporate everything- pure fascism since fascism is the corporations in liaison with politics.

 

i think you'll find that, whatever ism we are referring to, politics and business is always amalgamated. what of pure communism

it is the control of the economy and political presence (by strict definition), so i fail to see any examples being set. it's pretty ironic, extreme left wing politics - it's all about equality amongst people, so long as you relinquish your rights as people.

people forget that side of capitalism. everybody can have a part in it if they choose to, we have liberal rights

so, thinking about the manifesto of a generation of takers, i can only assume this

anti-capitalism + liberal rights = anarchy.

this is, thus, the ultimate 'i want my cake and to eat it to' situation.

 

wikipedia:

fascism and communism are just puppets in the big game of the rothschild bankers world.
who was paying hitler, who was paying lenin?
didnt stalin work for the rothschilds?

 

I was talking about the country i live in. I did not mean to sound as this is how it is everywhere world wide. I know thats not true because no country is the same. Especially the one i live in.