could some tell me

Discussion in 'Politics' started by revolution_time, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. revolution_time

    revolution_time Member

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    why the jews and the palestians, (and so much of the arab world) hate each other? i feel sorta dumb for even having to ask, but i've heard so many different takes on everything, i just want to know if someone has some good evidence so i can make up my own mind. i was talking to this girl today, and we were talking about how isreal had expanded from its original borders, and she said that the palestinians had started all of those wars, and the jews needed to occupy that land. that just doesn't make sense to me. isn't that like saying the native americans started all the wars against the united states and america needed to expand into their land? any help would be appreciated.
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Well, of course some of it has to do with religion. But we must never forget that Israel is stolen land. Israel was not peacefully created with the Palestinian people in mind, nor with their consent. Rather, it was brought forcefully into existence, and since its status as a nation in 1948, Israel has been intentionally provoking its Arab and Muslim neighbors to violence as a pretext for military intervention, which is all part of the bankers' goal of taking over the oil-rich Arab word and homogenizing it under their globalist fiat money system.

    The people behind Israel's creation were never about the Jewish people -- who I respect and admire greatly -- but for their own global agenda. They Jews are nothing but tools to the elite zionist bankers who were behind Israel's creation, and still behind its existence today. In reality, Israel was strategically created and placed where it is as a means for the Global Elite to foment violence amongst the Muslim world in order to justify the conflict and war which is needed to bring about change as they see it (through imperialism, globalism, etc.). It's all about the dialectical mechanism called Heglianism.
     
  3. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    It's fairly complex, and several people will give you different answers here. I'll try to make it as unbiased as I can. Probably be a bit long, try to bear with it. I'll give a little commentary at the bottom if you don't want to read all of it.

    First, the Palestinians aren't Arabs, their an Ethnic group of their own.

    It started in the 1880's when Jewish people started to immigrate to Palestine to escape persecution from Europe, Russia and the Arab world.

    There were some tensions at this time, but for the most part, the Jews and Palesinians and Arabs were getting along rather well then.

    Palestine and much of the Middle East at this time was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. They were fairly ambivelent to the jewish immigration. They sold much land to the Jewish immigrants and this caused more friction because in many cases the Ottomans were forcing Palestinians and Arabs from their land to sell it to the Jewish migrants.

    The problems of the Ottomans forcing people from there land became more prevelant around the turn of the century when the Idea of Zionism started to take root. Zionism started as the idea of a jewish state in the jewish ancient homeland. It's no surprise that a group widely oppresed wanted a state for itself.

    So over the early 20th century there were more waves of immigration and more land bought out from underneath the Palestinians and Arabs in Palestine. Tensions were uneasy.

    Then World War 1 happened. It resulted in the dissolvement of the Ottoman Empire, and the British gaining control of almost all the Ottoman lands.

    Much of the Axis propoganda which blamed the Jewish for the loss of World War one managed to make it's way over to the former Ottoman lands which were now being plundered by the British and French in sort of De Facto colonies.

    So there was that provocation, but there were also the shared religious histories of two very different people. There were large immigrations after world war 1, so more people competing over resources in an area which didn't have many natural resources, religious friction, and cultural friction as a remenant of world war 1. (1918)

    Throught the 20's there was much more immigration to Israel by the jews and this is when the first violent clashes started arising. The British had the obligation of preventing violence, but they did little, and soon Arab and Jewish gangs started forming.

    Throught the 30's when much more Jewish immigration continued, largely due to increased anti-semitism in Europe, the tensions started to really spill across the Arab world. Israel began forming it's own defense force, and by this point in retrospect you could see a war between the Jews and the Arab states coming.

    After the horrors of the Holocaust, the jews in Israel were more commited then ever to form their own state, and this is when the war really started.

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  4. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    (continued)


    In 1947 the UN came up with a plan to divide the Israelis and Palestinians into two states, and a reay later Isreal announced the formation and the Arab Leauge objected it. Right after the UN plan was adopted many attacks began on both sides on civilians and soon this turned into armies being sent to displace people.

    In 1948 the Israeli state formed and immediatly the nations of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Iraq attacked. Israel fought with them, and tried to create buffer zones betwen itself and Arab states. It also cut across Palestine to help with this buffer zone.

    Israel won the war, but there was little peace. The Arab governments continued sponsoring militas, Israel forced the Palestinians on small allotments of land, the ghettos of Gaza Strip and West Bank formed, more poverty, more reasons to be angry on both sides.

    Over the 50's Israel started trying subversive terrorist attacks as well, the Israel state practiced some apartheid like pracitces of land redistribution. More militaries were sponsored.

    In the 50's Egypt nationalized the Suez canal, England and france were mad about it and Israel entered an allience to attempt and capture it.

    More anger towards Israel from the Muslim world, more paramilitaries, more attacks on civilians in Israel. In the 60's more canal problems when Egypt tried to sequester Isreal from shipping lanes, Israel launched a preemptive strike. Egypt Syria Jordan and Iraq joined forces again.

    In the 70's the Same Arab nations launced a preemptive stike in the Yom Kipur war.

    In the 80's Lebanon was in a civil war and many militants were launching attacks into Israel. Israel stated they would establish a buffer zone but pushed much further into Lebanon into Beruit. The Israeli's kept the buffer zone untill 2000.

    By the early 90's it locked like Progress was being made, Palestine and later Jordan signed the Oslo accords which was a peace agreement. But soon Hamas started unprecedented waves of gueirilla attacks into Israel, and the Oslo accords influence were waining. More militant incursions by Israel, more guerilla groups attacks on Israelis by Hamas.


    It's a long contentious and concoluted history. It's rooted in religious and ethnic issues, for control of resources in a limited resource areas, and bitterness over decades of violence on both sides.

    Theres really no point in assigning fault. Both sides are far too militant, and it's always been civilians who have suffered most in these conflicts.

    Hopefully there can be peace some day, and you'll notice many people seem to try and pick side in the issue, when instead we should be trying to look for resolutions.

    It's all short sided long histories of hatred. I would look at anyone who only focuses on one sides suffering with a cautious eye.
     
  5. Shambhala Peace

    Shambhala Peace Senior Member

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    Spence,
    That was amazing. I couldn't have said it better myself.
     
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