Deepsters?

so my friend came back from bonaroo, all about this drug, deepsters.

all she can say was told about it was its made from a sap, and it causes instant kalideascope vision for like 15-20 minutes... she said they might have called it "hippy crack"...

does anyone know what this is?

 

"deemster" maybe?
dmt & it's relatives 5meo-dmt (cohobine) & 5oh-dmt (bufotenine) are found in many plants & even some animals... ("from a tree sap" = maybe virola resin?)
& any of them, extracted & smoked properly, will tend to allow you access to alternate universes for 10 minutes or so...

www.erowid.org
&
www.lycaeum.org
--->
are a couple sites with good intro info on these (& a number of other) hallucinogenic plant extracts...

 

Never heard of "deepsters," but like mentioned above sounds like it might have been some kind of crude DMT extraction... Not the kind of drug that usually goes around at fests though. If it was pure DMT it'd be a little more intense than kaleidoscope visuals though, so it was probably just a crude extraction. (If that's even what it was.) I've heard people call DMT "hippie crack" before too.

 

hmm... i suppose that is totally possible... DMT extraction... she smoked these "deepsters" or "deemsters" or whatever.. she said it was DAMN expensive too!

is it safe? someday, i just might try it... im gunna go out looking for it though...

instant kalelidascope vision? fuck yeah!

 

I've seen a lot of people call out deemsters at fests. I don't go there because I'm guessing none of it's pure.

honestly, I don't know much about the effects of DMT, so I don't know how safe it is.

I've never heard anything but nitrous called hippie crack but I could be wrong. I know the effects of DMT are powerful but quick, so the name would fit it just as much as N02.

 

Whoa heady, you don't know much about DMT? I figured you'd probably done it before... It's produced in your brain in your pineal gland, it's a really interesting chemical in my mind. I've heard that it gets produced in high quantities at birth and death. Supposedly with lots of meditation and certain techniques you can sort of gain control over your DMT production in your pineal gland.. I dunno.. I just want some high quality DMT crystal real bad lol.

DMT is found in many plants too, and has been used ritually by shamans for a long time like shrooms etc.

 

ok i been researching DMT a LOT lately as i prepare myself for it.
i have read a lot into the chemistry and the spiritual side of the drug.

i probably cant top gnrm23's response but i need to clear some stuff up.
[1] It was DMT, for sure. crude extraction or not, doesnt matter, dose matters. and HELL YES DMT goes around at fests!! a lot of it.
[2] If it was 'DAMN EXPENSIVE' your friend got jacked. DMT occurs naturally in plants and if you DID buy it it wouldnt be too much. If it was smoked it was probably extracted in which case the yeild is so that people generally share DMT experiences like a gift. it is very mystical. My dad used to get peppermint leaves soaked in DMT and he smoked them with EVERYBODY for free, no biggie. Now it could have been ordered from some obscure supplier by some jerk off kid who doesnt really respect it and was jus tryin to turn it around for a quik buck.
[3]"instant kalelidascope vision? fuck yeah!" o god, you have no idea what your talking about... yes it is visual but the heart of the experience is the spiritual journey, connection with all the spirits around you, loss of time and self. becomming one with The All. i would advise you (at this point in your life) to stay far away from DMT.
[4] DMT itself is extremely safe. the only way it can kill you is scaring you to death, or astounding you SO MUCH you go into cardiac arrest (which is probably very possible for orignial poster)
[5]the amount of N,N dimethyltryptamine naturally occurring in your brain is VERY minimal, the doses in which you brain could release are actually shown to 'sober you up' persay... interesting actually ill post a bunch of links to sources later

 

im not not planning to do deemsters anytime soon, i was just interested in it because my friends were talking about it.

and crackforkids, i have had many spiritual trips off of shrooms and LSD, so i understand that off of DMT it is completely possible to have a spiritual journey... im just saying.. kalideascope vision is cool, too!

and i wouldnt go into cardiac arrest if i did DMT...

 

Yeah, DMT is fun, man. I have a few Chacruna plants growing and as soon as they're ready to harvest I'm going to extract the pure DMT out of it.

 

ive never done DMT.. its really interesting me now. maybe i WILL do it sometime soon!

 

The DMT you extract will be far from pure. You'll probably get what I've heard called "earwax" dmt out of it. Will still take you there though, but it'll take a couple more tokes than purer crystal. Just be careful, it's not like... eating a tab or anything.

crack: Although the DMT levels in your brain are very low, I have heard/read the following:

a. A little bit higher levels of DMT are sometimes found in the urine of schizophrenics. Possible link? Who knows.

b. I've heard that higher levels of DMT are produced at birth and at death.

c. With certain meditative techniques, it may be possible to increase your natural DMT production.

DMT is ... strange. I can't really think of another way to describe it. They say that DMT might be where people get the idea of a 'soul' also. IDK about that, all I know is that it's no joke.


Also, "instant kaleidoscope vision" is what happens on a lower dose of DMT. I've done huasca before but never got to smoke some pure crystal. Even the earwax will give you the instant kaleidoscope visuals with a toke or two. The synthetic high purity crystal will blast you to another dimension after a couple tokes though.

 

Well, I'm only assisting in the extraction. My friend is a chemist (well chemical engineer) and he's agreed to help and let me use his 'facility' (really just his house with high tech equipment) so hopefuly it will be pretty close to pure.

 

Oh nice, I assume he'll probably clean up the product after it's extracted then. Have fun meng, you're a lucky bastard.

 

so you dont really need a whole lot of DMT to get kaleidoscope vision? thats interesting.... how long do you stay like that? are the visuals as cool as an LSD visual??

 

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

 

http://leda.lycaeum.org/index.pl?ID=11

 

I'd read some of the experience reports on erowid to get an idea of what goes on.

 

nope that's one of the few things I haven't done. I've heard of it and I knew some of the things you mentioned (like it only being produced at high quantities at brith and death) but I haven't ever taken the time to research it.

Also, I have never come across what I would call a reliable source and I try to stay away from anything if I'm not sure. And with something like DMT it's hard to tell, right? What do you even look for? I wouldn't know!

Anyway, I would gladly try it, but only of I knew just what I was getting.

 

"Med Hypotheses. 2005;64(5):930-7.

Endogenous psychoactive tryptamines reconsidered: an anxiolytic role for dimethyltryptamine.

Jacob MS, Presti DE.

Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of California, Berkeley, CA 94720-3200, USA.

The presence of the potent hallucinogenic psychoactive chemical N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in the human body has puzzled scientists for decades. Endogenous DMT was investigated in the 1960s and 1970s and it was proposed that DMT was involved in psychosis and schizophrenia. This hypothesis developed from comparisons of the blood and urine of schizophrenic and control subjects. However, much of this research proved inconclusive and conventional thinking has since held that trace levels of DMT, and other endogenous psychoactive tryptamines, are insignificant metabolic byproducts. The recent discovery of a G-protein-coupled, human trace amine receptor has triggered a reappraisal of the role of compounds present in limited concentrations in biological systems. Interestingly enough, DMT and other psychoactive tryptamine hallucinogens elicit a robust response at the trace amine receptor. While it is currently accepted that serotonin 5-HT(2A) receptors play a pivotal role in the activity of hallucinogenic/psychedelic compounds, we propose that the effects induced by exogenous DMT administration, especially at low doses, are due in part to activity at the trace amine receptor. Furthermore, we suggest that endogenous DMT interacts with the TA receptor to produce a calm and relaxed mental state, which may suppress, rather than promote, symptoms of psychosis. This hypothesis may help explain the inconsistency in the early analysis of endogenous DMT in humans. Finally, we propose that amphetamine action at the TA receptor may contribute to the calming effects of amphetamine and related drugs, especially at low doses."

2c's: is this what you are referring too?
i have heard so much about DMT it almost makes less and less sense the more i read. its so intense but low doses SUPRESS psychosis?!?!! and then some-one was tryin to say 4-ho-DMT (mushrooms) was known to benifeit those with OCD (hahahah i dont see how!!!)...
but yeah i heard a lot of the same stuff, about the "soul" and about life and death.... i jus imagine (dont know fo sure) that we have a VERY small supply of DMT in our pineal gland or whatnot. i mean i doubt your brain ever releases more than 5mg.

so... dose anybody know a lot about how DMT works? i know it works on the 5-HT(2A) ('seratonin') mostly (?), and then a little on the TA (trace amine?)... seems to work a lot differently then other psychedelics.


and my last post is a lil exaggeratted... i was being a tool, jus be careful with this shit!

and if your smoking pure powder w/o a MG scale... you are brave... DMT's dose-response curve is very steep!!! i hear people say they smoke 13mg and its all 'blah' and uncomfortable, they smoke 15mg and LOVE IT, but 18mg is hell...

 

You might be thinking of 5-meo-dmt. It is less visual, and has a lower dosage.

The hellish experiences I have read of are usually 5-meo-dmt.

When I hear about DMT being available on the market, it's usually extracted from plant material. The crystals are yellowish and I've heard it called 'earwax' dmt. The problem with extractions is that if it was a really crude extraction, certain plant materials have 5-meo-dmt in them along with dmt, so you'd be smoking a mix. Not all plants containing dmt contain 5-meo-dmt though, so as long as the extractor or 'chemist' knows this, it won't contain the 5-meo.