Deprogramming Christians

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by skip, May 29, 2007.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    What would be the best way to deprogram Christians?

    Since Christians are victims of a cult, it's important that they be deprogrammed if they are ever to live tolerant, loving lives.

    "When you deprogram people, you force them to think...But I keep them off balance and this forces them to begin questioning, to open their minds. When the mind gets to a certain point, they can see through all the lies that they've been programmed to believe. They realize that they've been duped and they come out of it. Their minds start working again." - Ted Patrick

    So which procedures do you think would be most successful on Christians?

    Isolation with intensive confrontation?
    LSD therapy?

    Here are the five stages of deprogramming:
    1. Discredit the figure of authority: the cult leader
    2. Present contradictions (ideology vs. reality): "How can he preach love when he exploits people?" is an example.
    3. The breaking point: When a subject begins to listen to the deprogrammer; when reality begins to take precedence over ideology.
    4. Self-expression: When the subject begins to open up and to voice some of his own gripes against the cult.
    5. Identification and transference: when the subject begins to identify with the deprogrammers, starts to think of himself as an opponent of the cult rather than a member of it.
    So you see once the subject begins to actually LISTEN to what is being said, without their program automatically kicking in, they begin to see REALITY!

    We can only do so much here on these forums. The rest is up to you.

    I would hope that most Christians at least reach the point where they acknowledge the depth and breadth of the programming they've endured their whole lives.

    Then if they reflect upon the influence of that programming, they can then realize how its fucked up their lives, how it's separated them from the rest of humanity and given them an false illusion, a fantasy to replace reality.

    I know it's possible for Christians to be deprogrammed and then return to the teachings of Christ, absent the dogma, the clergy and yes, even the bible! They usually see Christ as just one of many enlightened beings who brought wisdom to many.

    But most importantly they no longer see the world in terms of US AND THEM, which is perhaps the worst "sin" of Christianity.
     
  2. themysterytramp

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    so much for freedom and tolerance then
     
  3. skip

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    Huh? The idea is to FREE the Christians so they can become MORE TOLERANT. Or don't you get it?

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  4. TopNotchStoner

    TopNotchStoner Georgia Homegrown

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    Skip, not all christians are the ignorant fucks you make them out to be. Some of us are actually objective about the shit. Instead of "deprogramming" christians, maybe it would be better to find a way to teach the sheepishly ignorant ones to think for themselves and actually question the religion, as opposed to following it blindly. All christians need to recognize the possibility that we may have been lied to or mislead by a bible that has been altered and changed by people over the centuries and that God may not be the loving creator he is made out to be, and that he may actually be just a voyeur who is watching us for his own enjoyment and entertainment, which is what I believe.

    I mean, the bible was written by men, not God, and there is no possible way that it hasn't been changed or even just mistranslated over the years, even if it was just a little bit. So I think the problem with most christians is that they are afraid to think for themselves, because they fear God, when they need to fear ignorance.
     
  5. skip

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    You mean he gets the "Human Channel" on his TV?

    My guess is his subsciption lapsed 2,000 or so years ago...

    If you read the description of the deprogramming process, you pretty much described it there. So why do you say it's NOT about deprogramming?
     
  6. TopNotchStoner

    TopNotchStoner Georgia Homegrown

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    Yeah maybe you're right. I think I just don't like the way you explain it. It makes it sound like you think you have all the answers and that you know what is best for everyone, when all that needs to happen is that people need to learn to think for themselves; not that they need to be "deprogrammed" and unlearn or stop believing what they have been taught or lead to believe. They just need to take what they have always been told and think about it objectively. In other words, question the belief structure you have and truly think about it, for a change, instead of just believing it because you are told to. Nobody needs to change their belief structure unless they come to the realization, for themselves, that they don't truly believe that they thought they believed. I hope I worded that right. I know it sounds similar to what you posted, because it is, with a few dissagreements, on my part.
     
  7. rebelfight420

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    Whatever to live and let live so much for that i guess

    who are the actual intolerant ones??
     
  8. Jedi

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    This deprogramming sounds like another programming. If whoever wrote the article in the first post wants to deprogram christians, he has to first deprogram himself. If someone does not like christians because they are intolerant, isn't it also true to say that the very someone also should hate himself for being intolerant?
    Real tolerance is not an ideal followed by those who are intolerant, fools.
     
  9. mortes

    mortes Senior Member

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    The problem lies at the heart of the actual religion itself: Some people like being sheep.
     
  10. rebelfight420

    rebelfight420 Banned

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    No I am saying be tolerant of the tolerant. But yes in a way it would make you "better" then them.


    Oh I guess its because your so enlightened! Your way of thinking is RIGHT screw everyone elses opinon!

    lose your ignorance
     
  11. niranjan

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    So are you saying that we should also tolerate rapists and paedophiles and tyrants.
     
  12. niranjan

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    And Islam too.
     
  13. Krsna Bhakti

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    The answer : LSD

    :tongue:

    Though I dont wish to change anyone. I accept anyone for who they are, and the only form of change I would impose would be through means of revolution, and only if it comes down to that, which it probably will actually. I'll just have to saw open the roof of my car and mount a turret machine gun. The city is your greatest resource. Over and out.
     
  14. skip

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    Yes, you don't like the way I explain it, because it is nearly identical to the way CHRISTIANS IMPOSE THEMSELVES UPON NON-BELIEVERS. If you're not following the story here, we are showing you how Christians behave and demonstrating just a bit of the INTOLERANCE Christians have shown for last 1,000 years.

    So if you don't like this approach, then realize it is not any different from the way Christians go around bashing and trying to reprogram people. Like deserves like. Justice is served.
     
  15. rebelfight420

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    Christians are FAR from being tolerant. Take even YOU for example. You do NOTHING but belittle EVERYTHING I post. You make absolutely NO intelligent rebuttal at all and have broken numerous forum guidelines.

    I am atheist,





    This is a great example of why Christians NEED, DESPERATELY NEED to be deprogrammed. They NEED our help and I feel it is my divine right to show them that they are lost.

    Please oh enlightned one show every Christian the way!

    Not only do they NEED deprogramming, like most cult members do, they need intense EXIT COUNSELING to help them overcome their religious indoctrination and feelings of extreme guilt and fear. They DESPERATELY need professional help.

    Sounds pretty intolerant to me that they need forced brainwashing
     
  16. Jedi

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    A rapist is some one who rapes other people. If he rapes some one , then to protect others , he has to be locked away, but you wouldn't kill him.

    Tyrant is the same. Christian is not hurting anyone physically, why would you want to not tolerate them?

    We have bigger problems in the society today, lets stop rapists and murderers, not harmless christians.
     
  17. niranjan

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    Well, a few christian friends of mine said that they became alright due to medication and therapy which took a few years.

    It is there in the GENERAL RELIGION forum in the agnostics forum , if you wish to check.

    The name of the thread is 'Psychosis and religion'.
     
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    Perhaps it will be a good idea for you to contact Mister_Lister, who created that thread "Psychosis and religion." in the agnostic forum.
     
  20. themysterytramp

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    fairly stupid point really. hitler was in the army, so he hurt people. rape hurts little boys etc
    and also there is violence in any group of society, so you'd have to deprogram them
     

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