Do you feel LSD is cheating?

Buddha said that perception altering drugs cloud the mind. That taking these drugs would divert the mind from truth...real truth.

Do you feel LSD is cheating "enlightenment", "truth", "god", etc? The ease at which these "revelations" come to you after taking LSD is more of a synthetic epiphany, and that real enlightenment comes from serious meditation and thought. Sitting for several hours under a tree and truly thinking...not just popping some pills and allowing "it" to come to you; rather you come to it.

Speaking from personal experience, I have come to the realization that I am everything that exists. I have gained this insight simply from natural deep thought and the study of science.

Discuss. :toetap05:

 

lsd isn't like other drugs. depressants and narcotics moreso fall under this description. lsd and other psychedelics are more of an enigma. they act as more of a catalyst, than a diversion.

think of enlightenment as a continuus path leading to whatever. most drugs will stall the mind and cause you to freeze up in the place you are on the path. psychedelics however speed up your way along the path and move you further along.

so really the question should be: is it really the right thing to do to use a catalyst in our spiritual growth? should we really skip along like this? should we really go further than would have been previously possible in the alloted time?

 

Eh. What I'm getting is that it diverts you from the truth path. Think of a line, LSD will curve away from that line but you'll eventually get back on it. It's actually pushing you away from the real truth.

I have never done LSD, but I feel the epiphany it offers is only synthetic and has no use in the long run. Working hard towards the end truth is where it's at; rather than just popping it and getting it over with.

Discuss. :toetap05:

 

what i'm saying is that lsd doesn't divert you from the line, it just speeds you along it.

 

And what I'm saying is that it does divert you.

 

how would you know? you havn't done it!

i mean if you want to have a conversation about how lsd diverts you from the truth then go ahead, but it isn't going to have any bearing because it doesn't divert you.

what it does do is act as a catalyst.

 

There are many truths. LSD helped me realize this.

And since I'm buddah ignorant, where did he say perception altering drugs cloud the mind?

Our own mind creates drugs which alter our perception. Meditating, fasting, trauma, etc., can release those compounds into our blood and affect areas of our brain altering our perception and expose us to other truths. Buddah did this.

LSD can be a tool to some and abused by others. I think that is where the difference is.

 

I don't need to do it. I've come to similar and possibly even better realizations that others who have used LSD have come to, all without the use of any mind altering drugs; all from simple, genuine, natural thought.

It diverts you. It's all fake.

 

Right...all of those methods are natural processes. They come from within, not from the outside.

 

Try not breathing air for 5 minutes and tell me about it.

 

No thanks. That will kill me. Do the "enlightened" ones on here have nothing else to say about their beloved "catalyst"? Lulz

 

just because you came to similar revalations without the use of lsd that doesn't mean that they can't be brought about with lsd.

lsd gives you the same thing, all bundled into 12 hours of insanity.

 

Did you not read what I said? I said "and possibly even better". At least the revelations that I came to were through my own, natural thought process and hard work.

 

My uncle Bob says that masturbating will make my hands hairy.

I assure you that it is the furthest from "flicking a switch" that you could have. It is one of the most difficult and soul-shattering 12 hours of your life. You may weep. You may end your life. It is not a "show", and it is not fake.

Also, if you are everything, then you are LSD, so whats the difference between what "it shows you" and what "you show you"?

You sound like you're a pretty headstrong guy, you should just try and find some and then see what you think. I think you will be rocked to your deepest core.

 

what makes you think your revalations are better than mine? why is truth only found in yourself?

i mean honestly you just don't have any authority to pass judgement on something so complex as the psychedelic experience without atleast first experiencing what it has to offer. not that it can't also be a distraction, but it really can act as a catalyst. even in the cases that it is a distraction, there is still usually a valuable lesson to be learned.

there are many paths to take which will lead to the same place. all roads lead to home.

now this is what i was talking about earlier with psychedelics speeding things up and causing things to happen that might not have earlier. is it really the right thing to do to interrupt the natural order of things? or should we make the best use out of our time? it seems it is patience which is under question here.

 

Regardless, it's fake. What I have come to is real. And yes, it's like "flicking a switch". You just pop the paper in your mouth and go for the ride...big deal. Think about something, one thing, for a year and see where it takes you. I think my revelations are better than yours because mine came through hard work.

 

and you don't think that your life isn't just a ride?

edit- and sitting on a headfull of acid having a difficult experience can be pretty fucking hard work too. it isn't like things just instantly happen either, you have to work to actualise the revalations you are shown otherwise they are worthless.

 

its not a ride, its more like you are being ridden

i don't see why you are making such quick conclussions about lsd without having tried it. personally i just think you're a troll, because anybody who had even in passing interest in anything called "enlightenment" would not say something like "my enlightenment is better than your enlightenment".

Tomorrow you will meet a man who will tell you "I achieved my enlightenment by staring at a snail move across europe. It took me 30 years. My enlightenment is better than yours!" how will you answer him?

 

I'd say good work.

And bullshit about an LSD ride taking work. From what I've read from your forums, it all just comes to you. Listen to a bit of music while on it; ENLIGHTENMENT! Look at a pretty picture while on it; REVELATION! Smell a cake while on it; GOD!

 

no it won't kill you. Not 5 minutes. But it will change your perception! The air we breath contains certain compounds which if we deprive ourselves of will change our perceptions as you say. Oxygen comes from outside our body yet profoundly influences our perception and thought process. As well as the lack of it. Eat a big meal and your perception will be you are full. Is that you or the food? Buddah ate and breathed. He also fasted.

You're ignorant of lsd having never tried it so you have no credibility with us on this forum. Like my grandson telling me how to drive when he's never driven before. Like masterbating your whole life but never making love to a woman.

You just have no clue.