do you put any RC on par with LSD?

Speaking about personal favorites...

I have not tried authentic acid yet so I can't really compare but those you who have tried, do you value any RC just as much or nearly as much as LSD?

I have had 4 trips with 4-aco-dmt and that is my favorite RC.

 

I value most all of my psychedelic trips so yes. The situation involving street LSD doesn't help either and I've become jaded to that, the fact that I can spend $25-30 and have a 10 strip of 25I-nbome which is good for a few strong trips compared to often getting one ++ LSD trip at the same price, definitely makes me at least appreciate the availability of some of these other RC chems.

LSD was my 2nd trip after shrooms and I had my first ego death trip from it so it will always hold a special place for me, it is my favorite Hallucinogen but I have found other chems approaching the totality of effects that LSD produces (4-aco-dmt, 2ct7, 2ce, DPT, 25I-nbome) I also find 6apb to produce a totality in effects in it's own specific way although it has drastically different effects, so I highly appreciate most of those chems and others.

 

Nope.

 

that's 2 for "nope"

4-aco-dmt is close. i'll let you know if it changes my mind.

 

i thought 2ce was close until i tried 25i.
what is it that makes lucy so "special" sure its been around longer... so theres more research and all but wasnt it an rc at one point as well? id really love to hear more about the toxicity of 25i vs lucy... i would think the latter would be worse due to the extraction from ergot but like that even matters.... i dont think the could be toxic at all if you dont abuse them which... how could you?

 

If being around the longest made it the best, alcohol would be tops. I don't think history of human use is the criteria, rather, its that huge variety in the effects and individuality, the one substance that's special to a person.
LSD has been around a much shorter time, yet it's light-years less toxic than alcohol. We don't yet know much about the nbome's.
Lucy is the ultimate to me, but that's just me.

 

I feel the same way because 4-aco-dmt is a close 2nd to shrooms for me, so it can't possibly be that far off from cid. this is all specualtion til i try it though.

 

I haven't done that many RC's, but I would say none are as wholesome as LSD. Acid just feels like real hallucinogen to me. No other hallucinogen had such a crazy onset for me. Then again, maybe I just haven't done enough RC's.

 

I haven't done rc's but when someone who discovered them and has done them throughout their lives, lives as long as Albert Hoffman I'll consider trying it.

 

I do hold many RC as sacred tools. If LSD or Shrooms are a rainbow then these chems seem like individual colors. .Alot of times you don't want the full spectrum and want to focus in on one aspect. For example when i feel the burden/tightness of my ego then I take a small dose of 2c-e and it tends to soften me up. I don't want to be tripping full throttle always. I remember a few years back I got bored of tripping on shrooms all the time, it felt kind of predictable. Variety is the spice of life imho.

I often see people treating Rc like they are for people who can't get the real stuff. Usually these people haven't even tried any RC. I just wanted to see if anyone appreciated Rc as much as cid or almost as much.

Anyways fingers crossed, I might have my 1st lucy experience soon.

 

lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin
hes probably done more rcs then anyone else, 86 and still kicking ;p

 

Must spread some rep around for Felix4Life.

Yah! Those are good words right there.

 

wholesome is a good word for it. makes me want to compare LSD to the the most whole grain, good-for-you bread, where RCs are more like plain, bleached, white bread - still great when you're hungry, and maybe there are some simple things that don't go well on whole grain (PB+J?), but 9 times outta 10, whole grain is better.

someone beat me to it, but have you really not heard of Shulgin? he's still got ~20 years to go i guess to catch up with Hoffman


felix4life, 4-aco-dmt is pretty distinct from LSD IME. LSD might be a rainbow of 4 colors, where 4acodmt might be a 3 color rainbow, with only 1 color in common

 

"Wholesome" is spot on. When I take LSD, it feels like my whole life has culminated in this moment where I am supposed to be taking LSD, where LSD belongs inside my synapses, like I have found a missing puzzle in the human condition. It doesn't feel like a dirty drug making me drunk or high, it feels like bliss and awareness expanding. I really like this rainbow analogy, I think it's fitting. I would agree with pork that some of these better RC's like 4-aco-dmt and 2c-b, while not being the whole rainbow like LSD, are still more than just one color for sure.

LSD is like the whole rainbow, and being there to see it, and if you're lucky there's even a pot of gold at the end

LSD is not extracted from ergot. One of the compounds used to create LSD is, so the final product is quite removed from any ergot toxicity. And it's got nothing to do with this "RC" label which I agree is very unclear and based largely in time. What's an RC today is a classic tomorrow, and vice versa. What makes lucy so special is, for me, a combination of its unique effects, its complete lack of toxicity, and its ridiculous potency.

That being said, I have come to feel that many of these psychedelics (even ones that are not necessarily "my favorites", like 2c-e, miprocin, etc) can offer, in the end, very similar benefits to LSD. I used to think of it as LSD winning the race, and every other psychedelic barely having passed the starting line, but really now I see it as LSD winning the race and a WHOLE bunch of other molecules coming not too far behind it.

So still #1 You've just got to try it to believe it.

 

Hooray for whole grain bread (what I buy)!

Heh, I must have not done a sufficiently high dose of LSD, since I did not see the whole spectrum of colors. However, that said, LSD is the only hallucinogens that made me see colorful trails, not to mention massively complicated closed-eye visuals. Something like 2CE or 5-MeO-DMT was had more white or just distorted visuals.

The colors I recall seeing with eyes open were violet, red, and blue. But closed.. oh boy, everything but yellow!

 

Thanks for the tickle reminder... I'll raise my eyebrows and do some 2c-e when he hits 100. :sunny:

 

Hope you get to experience Lucy and that it exceeds your expectations!

Also, I have done smaller doses of 2CE (8mg or less) and I have had some profoundly enlightening and self-introspective trips. I have never done a higher dose of 2CE, to be honest, because I sensed that it has a potential dark side and I had a lot of fun on lower doses, anyway.

 

no rc compares to LSD. period

 

RCs are different. One is not really subjectively better than the other. DPT, for example, blows LSD out of the water in terms of power and intensity, but is certainly not pleasant like LSD. I'm biased though, as I've done RCs hundreds of times and LSD only once (two days ago), but I think they all have their pros and their cons and it really depends on what you're in for. LSD is just one of many. It is certainly one of the best, though

And, it's not an RC, but I would take mescaline over LSD any day, but LSD over most common RCs. Mescaline is the ultimate hallucinogen, though. It is just too perfect

 

Only mushrooms compare to LSD. Or DMT. No rc's. I do like 2ce tho, crazy visuals when snorted