does acid reveal the truth or...

here is the question i posed in my intro as this is a better place for it:

does acid reveal the truth or just drop another layer of the veil? discuss.

how i wish we were asked that sort of thing in our finals!

my initial certainty as to the answer has happily vanished....now i just enjoy the question and hearing what others think about it.

 

You mean is acid a truth syrum?

To a great degree, yes.
Or so that has been my experience (first-hand and from others).

 

no, i mean does it reveal that what you perceive to be reality is the truth, or does it mask reality (what buddhists might call "ultimate reality") further by adding a whole lot of stuff to the mind. this is all linked in with the "what-is-consciousness" questions, and the "what-the-heck-is-reality-anyway?" type stuff, as asked by an 8-year old friend of mine recently, who looks a bit like this:

 

you mean how much of it is the truth, and how much of it is crazyness.

some of it is true. certain realisations about the understanding and interaction between your peers and this world we live in, insights into yourself. can be true, seen as just an eye openener. some is crazyness. when you feel like you have that feeling of all meaning from somthing, or have discovered meanings that are so profound but impossible to describe. can often be crazyness. i cant say really. but it is often hard to distigush the two from each other.
people may get offended that i call some of it crazyness. as to them it is true, or real.
tho if you have one foot on the ground still, "as i like to call it", than umm you can still kinda tell yourself it was just crazyness or a trip. but more trips you take, the less footing you will have, and being able to tell what is true or real, and what is crazyness gets blurred beyond the boudary.

 

i love your pic in that scene in alice in wonderland the caterpillar has such a beautiful zen conversation with alice... my favourite line being when he suggests alice keep her temper (he had been obscure and she got irascible) and then gives instruction on how to eat the mushroom... lewis caroll was an opium-head among other interesting things. thanks for your input... anyone else?

 

Quite simply, it's what you make of it. It CAN be introspective among a range of other things (crazy being one of them). The profundity of acid makes it a very individual drug and one which will affect people differently. Something that seems utterly diabolical to you on an acid trip could be an enlightening truth in my trip. It's just a case of playing the game and seeing if you win or lose, and that's the way I see it. Just don't go TOO far down that rabbit hole!

 

veils are the truth.

maybe.

 

I think its one of those things where we could ask teh same of anything almost. does english/art/society/physics/politics etc etc etc. reveal the truth or add another veil?

I love teh question though and one I've thought of many times esepcially recently because of my own growing belief that i seem to have maybe perhaps foudn god on Acid. but then surely thats delusion!!!????

I do think ACID can multiply what you already have and maybe thats it. Maybe it just enhances what you have whether good or bad. It obviously did wonders for Francis Crick but wasn't so good for CHarles manson. Altough he seemed to think it was.

The scary thing is that although I think LSD helps many people to find the truth I think it also leads many people to THINK that they've found the truth and that can be damaging at times.

I think thats also why many people feel so great on Acid. Because you go aorudn feeling like tyou understand EVERYTHING.


or maybe thats just me. heh heh.

 

hmmm, yes... i never thought of it that way... thank you

 

It's both really. The truth is the veil, and vice versa. Acid makes the world appear both extremely objective and extremely subjective, in my opinion. It both distorts and elucidates truth at the same time.

 

it's all in your mind.

 

i can think about the truth of my life when i'm on it, but i don't really like talking to people when i'm on it, cause they have no idea what i'm talking about

 

it doesnt add another veil or anything. atleast it shouldnt. if your on the right level of thinking, acid should reveal the fact that reality is very simple. it's all energy moving in
the positive or negative direction, and that creates the perfect balance we all live in.

just chew on that next time you trip.

then go outside and talk to a plant... if you wait long enough, it should talk back. haha

 

some people come away from a trip with alot of crazy beleifs, and they are changed people. others came away from a trip and tell themselves it was all just a trip, and be the same they were before.

 

To be honest it didn't really change me, just made me obnoxious to the fact that I may be more enlightened now that I have taken it, after I have taken it, but then that goes away in like a day. I'd like to imagine my eyes have always been pretty open, but LSD did help me get over my summer obsession with alcohol. Some people, though, change big time. Some people make their life the drug, whenever I trip on acid I just get this very strong feeling of wanting to return to something systematic, as I feel like everything in life is gone and I am just lost. It's different for everybody I suppose.

 

Sw0o0sh, correct me if I'm wrong, but are you still talking about that 3 hour quasi-trip you had from some dodgy blotters that everyone decided probably wasn't acid at all? Or have you since come across genuine LSD?

 

That's so four weeks ago , I made friends with a connect to a genuine dealer who is picking up whole sale deals of real LSD-25 from a big college in my state ($5.50 a hit for whole sale, then he sells to regs for $10 or $7 to me). Great shit, tripped about 2-3 real times since that. Probably bought a few 10 strips since then, crazy times. Had my first bad trip last week.

So I guess I am correcting your wrong. It also appears that the dodgy acid I took was probably from the fact it was sitting in my bureau for 2 weeks prior to use, which was in no way stable conditions to maintain good acid.

But even though it was shitty acid my first time, the shittiness only was referring to the time duration + the hallucinogenic effect. The mental effect was still pretty strong. I was expecting much bigger of my first time, you know, like what you read from the stories of the people from the 60s. People who only had connects to shitty acid were trying to convince me that 'it isnt what it sounds like', ha, well I guess they will never know that it is what it sounds like, they are just probably getting bullshit acid. I tried telling them they just weren't getting real LSD but they chose to believe LSD just blows nowadays (I almost did too), well, sucks for them I guess.

And the acid I pick up now is/was just like that (shit from the 60s you could say), so now I know the full force of LSD. The hallucinations were very intense, melted shit would melt and then it was like I was looking at a painting.. that was slapped together. I swear to God this acid works strong for more than 10 hours. But the only part that sucks is it takes me usually like 2 hours to come up on it.

 

when i trip i enjoy a grand perspective of reality and the spirit world as well as a super human mind. like a genius scientist i can examine any part of my mind, my friends, my family, or any other aspect of reality that i care to understand better with absolute clarity. i have learned very much through my many experiences with LSD.


so, either LSD reveals the truth or i am crazy.

 

Call me crazy or whatever you want,
but I noticed that people CAN NOT accept that 2 things exist at the same time. I personaly believe that there are many realities coexisting at the same time in different dimensions. Like now, when I am reading and replying on this post, I am compleately in some other world, but does that mean that I am not also siting in my office at work? We are limited on this dimension (witch you call normal) by our sences (seeing, hearing, smeling, touching, tasting) and most of all - time, and if you start to "feel" something else, you immidiately start asking what is real - this what I ex. see, or what I feel? Acid is offering you "new" ways of comunicating witch can not be described with words because we do not still know to explain with words some other strange feeling witch we can't see or touch or smell or taste.....
Acid is removing the barriers in your brain that you created for your self limiting yourself on only one dimension. They say that we use only 3% of our brain and the rest of it is still unknown. I am saying, try to look on those 3% as a security system on your computer controling the access to the rest of it. If you know the "password" you go beyond those 3 percent and you are able to use more of your capacity, untill you reach another place that you need to put another "password" to access more.
Once you passed the first block you start comunicating with surroundings on some other way (other than common sences) and it is very difficult to explain with words, take telephaty for example. By being able to get information on different ways, you become more aware and it helps you a lot to cope with "normal" life and that is why people are often saying they see things more clearly on acid. By my theory, you are just becoming more and more able to comunicate in more and more dimesions at the same time. Lets get back to my example with computer. Untill you put the password you can not see the files on your computer, when you put the password you can see the files, but connecting to internet is asking for another password, e-mail for another.....
Recently I saw even scientific movie (Down the rabbit hole) witch proved my theory even more. In quantum mechanics one thing can exist on many different locations at the same time, and that is proved by SCIENCE, it is not just me triping!
Another thing, witch all of you who tried acid noticed, time does not exist there. How many times you felt like spending hours triping something and you look at the watch and see its just few minutes passed. Time is one of main factors witch describes this dimension. Here are some more thoughts: how about speed, science says that speed of light is the greatest speed. I say, what about speed of thought? Do you realize what is the speed of thought? The informatin reaches its destination before it was sent, belive it or not! Proof: How many times you say something exactly what somebody else opened his mouth to say? So he still didn't send the information, but you received it! You can also limit yourself to this poor dimension and say it was just coincidence. But how many times?!!?!!
That is my answer on question what is real and what is not? - EVERYTHING IS REAL AND IT HAPPENS ALL AT ONCE like past,present and future, they all coexist at the same time!
Love you all and better behavior around the world!!

 

Opens the mind to question everything.

You can find out alot but do not get deluded.

As for the veil thing. It alters your perception, you may see round all the veils to the truth.