Dog tags glorify war (?)

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by green_revolution, May 15, 2006.

  1. green_revolution

    green_revolution Member

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    I dunno about you guys but in my opinion wearing dog tags when you're not in the army is basically saying you support war - wether you want it to or not. It's been the trend lately for people in my school to wear dog tags. Most of them are just shiny plastic pieces with absolutly nothing on them, but some of them are the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. One girl had one of those tags that say your name, phone number and blood type. Ok, I thought, until I noticed that she hadn't written any of the info in the space provided. Another guy actually had a shirt with dog tags PAINTED ON. I mean seriously, wtf?
    I have yet to encounter someone with authentic dog tags, but still, wether it's real or a shiny piece of plastic, I still think it glorifies war.

    What do you think?
     
  2. Liroy

    Liroy Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    I think that makes no sence,

    Some of my friends wear them just because they think it looks funny,
    it's like a fashion over here in holland... but meaning that it supports war?
    nah... that's bullshit :)
     
  3. wandering_okie

    wandering_okie Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    What???? Many people wore army garb in the 60's and 70's (and today) as an affront to war. Like.."look at me..see this...a lot of people that are wearing this stuff are dying needlessly". A lot of peace protesters endured great oppression from the establishment for such gestures. Some people wear dog tags in support of loved ones that are having to serve in unnecessary conflicts. Showing support for those individuals does not mean that you support war. People of conscience may abhor war, but do so out of love for those that fight or die. I'm sure you don't mean to spit on the struggles of the hippies and others, but you should think before you make hasty generalizations like that. The fact that dog tags in your opinion aren't a proper fashion statement doesn't mean they support war.
    Here, let me use some of your logic. This guy thinks wearing dog tags makes you a warmonger. He must really hate hippies that wear them.
    Does that really sound fair for me to make such assumptions about you?
    What I think is that you probably oppose war. You just didn't consider the history of those you were asking the question to.
     
  4. moon_flower

    moon_flower Banned

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    Dog tags in the military are used as ID.
    I wear my boyfriends dog tags. I don't support the war; I just support him.
     
  5. joo kyle

    joo kyle thisandthat

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    I have dog tags that my mom wore in the early 70's. There's two of them, one with a peace sighn the other with a dove.
     
  6. Love Fest1969

    Love Fest1969 Classic Rocker

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    I have my same pair of dog tags since I was a kid and I don't support war at all.
     
  7. Unkle_John

    Unkle_John Member

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    Joo Kyle, I have seen those types of dog tags off and on for years.

    I have a pair of tags that contain my info on them. Do I support war? No.
    I wear them incase I am in an accident and I do not have a photo I.D. (incase it's lost during the accident, if I forget it, or stolen from my unconcious body...hopefully my tags aren't). I got them for a purpose, identification. Also with the blood type on them, it helps the EMS know what type I need instead of wasting type O negative (the blood not the band) on someone who knows their type.
     
  8. rayne_lyric

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    I disagree. It glorifies war no more than wearing an army jacket or something, which is a common hippie thing to do (I have one with army patches on it). It is a form of protest. It is actually against the law for a civilian to wear military clothing in the U.S. Now, this is never ever enforced, but the law is there. Kinda like it is ilegal to smoke pot in Amsterdam, but they jsut don't care and don't enforce it.

    People who support wars only wear military garb if they are in the military. Otherwise, it is a form of protest.
     
  9. _chris_

    _chris_ Marxist

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    perefectly legal if your in a hash bar and over 18 (or mebbe21, but i think 18)
     
  10. Liroy

    Liroy Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    18 :)
    And there are more places where it is allowed, or rather I should say: tolerated
     
  11. purplesage

    purplesage Ah, fuck it...

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    I personally think it's disrespectful to wear authentic army clothing because the people who went to war, went through hell in those uniforms. JMO...

    But I do wear khaki pseudo-military-looking clothes on occasion.
     
  12. joo kyle

    joo kyle thisandthat

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    I wanna get a camo jacket and put some peace sighns on it all lennon like.
     
  13. Donvito1122

    Donvito1122 Hippy Teacher to be!

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    I personally feel that it is more of a protest. Saying that you can support our troops but not the war. I do personally wear my fathers military jacket that he had in Vietnam, he was forced to fight in a war that had no point and I wear the jacket with his patches and his blood stains (nothing fatal, but three bullets into his arm, and shrapnel ...and for what..but I won't get into that). The blood shows people that war is real, and people do die and get hurt. I wear it to show people that war is not a game, you can die....and there is no restart key. Military uniforms in general do not support the war and the same I feel applys to dogtags.

    Peace,

    Al
     
  14. Unkle_John

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    Wearing army gear isn't disrespectful, it's thrifty (in a sense). Governments spend millions of dollars on the items and when they use them for a short time, they throw them away and sell them off to army surplus dealers. These items can go from camping gear to every day use. heck you can buy a pack of NEW underware that the govt. rejected b/c the stichting wasn't straight.
    Three things you need to know about army surplus:

    1. Govt's buy the best. Even the surplus is usually high quaility.
    2. Military clothing is heavy, durable, and well-made.
    3. Not all surplus is used. You may find brand-new discards at less than new prices.
     
  15. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    I guess if you were opposed to all war in principle you could think that. Most of the world adhears to just war theory, and world war 2 cemented it.

    I agree with it. I think there are lots of good reasons to go to war.
     
  16. wandering_okie

    wandering_okie Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Yeah, those poor people like Brown and Root gotta make a living too. Besides, what better way to convince people that your God is better than theirs..than to kill them. (tell them about our God..send them to meet theirs..Clever!) sarcasm guys..it's sarcasm..
     
  17. Jennasia

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    i used to wear dog tags
     
  18. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    Actually a good observation:
    War breaks out.War items come into fashion.War comes into fashion.
    Mix and match the last three sentences.Put them in any order and it's still true.
     
  19. green_revolution

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    Yeah that's sort of what I was thinking.
    A lot of people here have made some good points which I have taken into account like wearing dog tags in memory of someone who fought in a war, but still, when I began seeing dozens of kids wear them for the sake of fashion it just didn't sit right with me.
     
  20. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    All gods are equally irrelevant in 2006.

    But there are valid reasons for war.

    1. Genocide- Scourge of the earth, and still very common.

    There are others, Other human rights violations such as slavery or deep sectarian strife, illegal aquisition of weapons, breaking armistice treaties, unprovoked aggression to another state, sponsoring of terrorism, but these are all to be judged on a case by case basis.

    Genocide, however, should not be judged on a case by case basis. A nation which commits or condones genocide has no right to exist in terms of international law, and at a much more important note, has no right to exist at a moral level.

    If a nation is helpess to prevent genocide, they don't nessecarily need their regime toppled, but they still must allow international troops into their borders to halt the genocide.

    It should be the primary goal of the US being the worlds lone super power to wipe the scourge of genocide from the face of the planet. We should also list the enlist the help of major world powers in Europe, and also regional leaders near where genocides are taking place.

    This is all opinion, but it should be policy. Anyone who doesn't agree probably isn't aware of the prevelance of Genocide. Refusing to intervene to stop something of that scale seems loathsome.
     

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