downfall of society

Does anyone else feel like the world is getting worse and worse???

 

The world is getting worse. You can feel it, you can see it, you can hear it and you can smell it.
The question is what will be left after the collaps of this society. Some people- maybe. Many animals and plants will survive, that`s almost certain.
It´s just a shame that we will leave so much pollution on this planet.
Once, some thousand years ago, this planet was the paradise, now we turn it into hell.
Most stupid creature ever, we failed worse than anything else before us.

 

we're all gonna die... seriously. The world is going to end. Everything is spinning out of control...

 

Im not afraid of death. Im not immune to fear, I fear many things. Death is not one. Lack of power to make change, make a difference, do good, make the world better, all these things scare me. Not being able to protect people I love does as well.
Part of me want to get an ak47 and a sawed off shotgun and just hold down the fort til the end, part of me wants to give up, what difference can I make. Part of me knows this would just make more chaos.
There is so much bad, evil, and horrible things in the world.

 

I like to think that when this "apacolypse" happens, the idiots will be the ones to die because of their own ignorance, and perhaps the rest of us; or rather, the few of us left with any brains will survive...?

 

Was there ever a time when everyone thought everything was getting better? I think things are getting better, sure there's war, pollution etc.. But when has there never been in the past 200 years? Places like Argentina and South Africa are much better off than they were 10 years ago. People are beginning to wake up to peak oil and glocal warming. We are in a period of economic, social and technological growth.

 

well, except for the increasing consuming-rate and the waste that comes along with it in our society, which has so many environmental consequences there are alot of things that go better all around the world. but yeah, societies according the western model may be out of the running pretty soon...

 

The meek shall inherit the earth =>

 

The world and society are two different things. However several societies are making the world worse (in my opinion), societies (which all come and go eventually anyway) have generally been turning for the better since the last few centuries. Not all of course, but the western are. Imagine if there wasn't an age of enlightenment

 

well then we where still in the middle ages wich weren't so bad i think.. i think that they were better than now...

 

I think a definate change is happening, very rapidly everything is starting to unravel. Can you guys feel it too?

 

Western society in the middle ages was seriously fucked up, in my opinion. Huge class differences, no freedom of religion, slavery, why do you think society was better back then?

 

We've lost our ties to the natural world, to the earth's spirit. We've bitten the hand that feeds us again and again and it might just all go away forever.

When I was just a kid I thought of humanity as a plague, an epidemic that was rotting this planet. I fantasized that an alien race would wipe us out. This was in like grade school.

I don't feel that way anymore. I understand how loving, how compassionate people can be. I've since experienced it. For that reason, if it does end, I will mourn the passing of the human race.

 

Society is going to kill the world. Maybe in 10 years or 100. I really cant see humans on this planet in 100 + years. Everything is so fucking corrupted its very sad and quite scary.

The root of all evil is one thing. $$$

 

because the early and middle ages were not so bad... the late middle ages the difference between rich and poor started to grow, and after the middle ages it became worse...

They sended away the romans, and wanted to live somewhat more natural like they used to do before the romans. You can see that in the early middel ages, the houses are very much inspired by the houses that can be found before the romans in the prehistoric times. There only were some more materials that they used.

the monastry in some places was there to keep the difference between poor and rich in balance. Rich gave to the monks, and the monks gave it to the poor.

for the rest the people did fair work like fishermen, making baskets, vilting wool, weaving, bakkery, and so on.
The people had a garden where they could grow things, had clothes from linnen and wool.... They just used what was in the neighbourhood and sometimes for bigger stuff they traveled, or someone else traveled for them (but always inside europe)

and then around 1492 when they started to explore the world because there was nice stuff around there.. then is when the people become crazy... Probably there where more people in 1492 then before and cities began to rise and stuff. And india had nice fabrics, and from an other country there came nice spice stuff and i don't know what stuff came in. But the rich people wanted more luxury, and the poor people could work untill they fell from a tree but no luxury. So the gap between poor and rich became bigger, the church could not provide the poor anymore because the rich wanted to keep shit for themselves and there were less rich people then poor. So believing in the church (what i think in that time was not so bad because they only said jezus ideal was right, and poeple tried to live the naturally way. but when it became fancier and fancier like the clothes of the rich people did... faith goes away)
and that's on time in history when it became a mess in my eyes.

 

Actually there isn't a lot of knowledge how society functioned really in the early middle ages. They didn't send the romans away though, Rome and the roman empire were destroyed because moving of violent tribes and their own internal problems. The early middle ages were a time of war for land and power for the local rulers now their roman opressors (who brought many good things, by the way) had gone. The poor who believed in Christ did so because they were indoctrinated, didn't know better and were overruled by 'christian' people. In the early middle ages heathen tribes were violently christianized by 'christian' people (like the Franks) who were supported by the pope.
Serfdom was pretty normal, so there still was a large difference between poor and rich, there just were less rich who ruled all the poor. Of course in this time a lot of monasteries were probably out to help people and spread the good things they really believed in, but it was already before the late middle ages that they were enriching themselves with land (were the poor worked on) and power.
The common folks returning more to their nature way of life wasn't only their choice, it was their only option. It was mixed with a lot of roman habits though, since they were pretty much romanized.
Society in western Europe in the middle ages sucked.

 

now you are saying it yourself indirectly... people that were not integrated with the romans and did not like their lifestyle told them to fuck off... i think these people were or heathen, or jezus-ideal-believer. Of course there was war and shit just after that the romans went, why? simply because that is after every war... time of chaos to reconstruct what you want.

yep true.
But compared to now i still think the middle ages werent so bad, their environment for example was a lot better, maybe not all of their social skills, but they were a lot nicer for each other in villages then they are now they worked together there. Also a lot nicer in war, because they didnt use guns and bombs and other chemical stuff.
i think they were better if they had more knowledge like in prehistory but whatever.
I think if you cut and paste something from your with my story and the other way, then you have a more complete picture...

 

The moving violent tribes that caused the trouble that the already troubled empire couldn't handle came from the east . After Rome was plundered by the tribe of the visigoths, their nordwestern provinces were left on their own, so they retreated. The local tribes may helped them with that by revolting, but not because they wanted to go back to nature/their own cultures lifestyle, but just because they didn't want to be dominated. So it doesn't really matter if the romans left voluntarily or if they've been told to fuck off: the people just didn't want to pay taxes, give men for the army and be opressed. They kept the cultural benefits like part of the roman law and even the language, they were truly half romans for at least two centuries. I also thought they kept using the better techniques to build houses and stuff, but I'm not sure of that. Because they didn't had one large government things like roads began to dissappear again. So that wasn't a choice, it was.. downfall. :tongue:

Their environment was alot better just because it wasn't ruined yet, in my opinion. If they were nicer to eachother in villages it was just because they needed eachother, 'cause they were pretty much isolated once again.
They definately weren't nicer in war! There weren't any rules for waging war for ages, so after one party won it was perfectly normal to kill all survivors of the other party (and not only the soldiers) and burn their houses and all their posessions. Also, to some people it may have been more honest and honourable since they were fighting face to face and not by pushing buttons or pulling triggers, they were far more cruel. Nicer? Really, they just butchered eachother with sharp pieces of iron! Took their heads as trophies, and they didn't show more mercy back then as in any time after the middle ages.

 

you can see the "didnt want to be dominated" also as just want to do my own thing. staying closer to nature because they thought it was better then watched by romans or something. Your true about that in some parts they stayed half roman, i was talking about the parts that didnt or just stayed less then half roman cause i like them more
i think they used a bit of the technique of house building, especially in later middle ages (around 1350 or something). they started to use the middle ages tiles and bricks around there (only the rich people).
and if it was downfall is an opinion i guess. i think not, finally saved from that weird romans...

it was also not ruined yet because in the middle ages they didnt build cities like the romans did

i think being more honest is being more nice in some kind of indirect way... pulling triggers and trowing bombs is not nice because if you fight then fight right (like in the early prehistoric times, just with fists and maybe stones or something). This is again an opinion about something

 

And why only the rich? They started building monasteries, cathedrals and churches like mofo's already a few centuries before. Also had to do with the costs?

Ah. But we are not sure WHY they didn't built them. You're pretty sure that it was because they wanted to go back to nature. How so?

True, it's an opinion. I think it's about equally nice :tongue:. Wether you bash somebody's head in with a piece of wood or put a bullet in a head of somebody from a distance. The first may have something pure about it though, still I don't think they're very different in their mentality (in this aspect!).

 

The black death isn't really a society thing, I think. Although it definately had an impact on it of course! The high death rates are for a large part linked to the black death and a lot of people never saw a crusade or inquisition.