elightenment

can acid make u enlightened, if yes only during the trip or can it affect u for life, can acid open ur chakras

 

well some people believe yes... some believe no..


I happen to believe yes...

but for some people it only affects them during the trip... afterwards they just go back to their ego-games and dont incorperate their experience into their life.. while others have huge behavoir changes that affect them the rest of your life... its like it depends what you take from it..

and as far as chakras... yes.. (but then again im sure theres people that dont believe in this..) your chakras activate during sober shifts in consciousness (sleep, astral, dreaming.. etc...) so they open during a psychedelic shift in consciousness as well.. especially 3rd eye... CWL in the 3rd eye is the beginning of illumination

 

personally I don't believe enlightenment can be obtained from psychedelics.
Through psychedelics you can experience a complete ego loss or like temporary enlightenment but once the drug wears off I think your ego will always find its way back. You may be able to weaken the ego a lot under enough experiences but as long as you're achieving the state through something that exists in the material world you will have attachment to that and that attachment will be enough to hold you back. I think its probably possible for psychedelics to take you a great distance on the path to enlightenment but sooner or later I think you'll have to break off and find that it lies within you.....

 

perhaps on the order of "kensho" vs. "satori"...

(remember the ox-herding pictures)

 

from alan watts:

taking a psychedelic drug is somewhat like climbing a tall tree in the forest so that you can get your bearings...
you pay attention on the way up, see which way is north, maybe catch a glimpse of the edge of the forest, pay attention on your way back down the tree to the forest floor, and then walk on!
(& if you spend all you time climbing up and down the trees, you may never get out of the forest, eh?)

 

from alan watts:

taking a psychedelic drug is somewhat like climbing a tall tree in the forest so that you can get your bearings...
you pay attention on the way up, see which way is north, maybe catch a glimpse of the edge of the forest, pay attention on your way back down the tree to the forest floor, and then walk on!
(& if you spend all you time climbing up and down the trees, you may never get out of the forest, eh?)

 

whoa, a message from the department of redundancy department, whoa...

 

i find lsd to be a tool...a teacher.

can lsd make you enlightened? i would say no...though it can definatly be a catalyst for spiritual evolution...a key, if you will. there are many keys to the door. keys only take you so far though...once the door is open its up to you to walk inside.

 

ya exactly.. psychedelics are a key to the doors of perception (sorry had to steal that) but its up to you to walk in and not turn around and run back out

 

no way dude..............U can never gain true enlightenment through drugs they give u FAKE enlightenment.if u work out ull look good and toned and be fit but if u slim down artificially u might look good and toned but u r never going to be fit......

 

what exactly is fake enlightenment??? to be illuminated with a fake light???
dosent seem possible to me

 

theres a big difference between 'PHYSICALLY' fit and 'MENTALLY' in touch..

if through psychedelics you learn how to operate these parts of your brain/mind/conciousness then when you activate them with what you learned while not directly on drugs.. is that fake?

and how can it be fake? isnt that an opinion

if you have a mystic experience and dont believe it.. then it was fake i suppose..

but if you have one and you believe it (which after someone has one i dont see how they could doubt it) and it changes you then is it still fake?

enlightenment doesnt have regulations
there isnt a law that says whats enlightenment and whats not
no one has the ability to tell someone otherwise becuase they are not that other person..

enlightenment is a personal thing

and it also has many different meanings too and aspects..

 

lol, fake enlightenment?? and i see where you're trying to go, but it's a pretty bad example.

when dealing with this subject, it's really all in the eye of the beholder. some people can go through some serious changes, and others won't. it's all what you're expecting and what you make out of your trip. it's a deep personal matter, and really there is no right or wrong. it's all how you personally take it.

 

i feel fake enlightenment is a good enough way to put it....let me explain myself or atleast try....i have said this before so here goes.......we all know that acid plays with our senses,hearing,speech,mind,thought......u see things that r not there u hear things that r non existant,u get vibes that dont exist,and maybe we even feel things that r not really present or existant....maybe that feeling of peace,contentment,and well..enlightenment are non existant maybe they r hallucinations of the soul like hallucinations of the mind,auditory hallucinations etc.acid some say creates a parallel dimension,a parallel thought process,a parallelperceptions it makes us see,hear as well as feel things which may or may not be present,the funny thing is that sometimes we just dont know....maybe im wrong .......if u have a mystic experience while tripping then u might learn from it and u might not....acid de programmes u and leaves u open to change and the possibility of change as well as new ideas and so sometimes due to this de programming one learns new things but GUYS COME ON LEARNING NEW AND INTERESTING WAYS TO USE UR MIND IS FANTASTIC BUT LETS FACE LEARNING HOW TO USE UR MIND AND ATTAINING ENLIGHTENMENT ARE NOT THE SAME..enlightenment or true enlightenment can only be attained through complete expansion of the mind and lsd cannot give u such comlete and total expansion U CAN TOTALLY EXPAND UR MND WITH THE HELP OF ONLY ONE THING-UR MIND ITSELFand any other feeling of expansion is incomplete as well as temporary and THEREFORE FAKE.

 

so everything you experience on lsd is fake? every sensation, every scent, every taste, etc etc... that the trip is an illusion...

it depends on how you look at things..

well to me this is the illusion.. so much more out there that in this level of consciousness, is filtered out, blocked from our perception.. like when i've been on experiences similar to what you could call lucid dreams, theres no doubt in my mind that i've been somewhere real. its more real then normal 'reality' is so I cant figure it being fake.

but everyone should have different views on things like this, otherwise it turns into another aspect of the programed ant-hill society, run by political and religious leaders and their ideas...

consider others ideas but dont forget your own becuase of someone else.. but dont lose that open-mindedness..


and also i would just call it 'temporary enlightenment' not 'fake enlightenment' its still effective but most often only for a limited amount of time. its not the same as total enlightenment, but none the less its still a type of enlightenment

beyond, all your posts seem to be very aggresive in denying any enlightenment from psychedelics, now i'm not saying this is what it is but it seems like youve been programed that way and and trying to program it into others now, sorta like the media programming bad trips in the 60s, but I guess I'm just as guilty on the other side of it all...

idk people need to interpret what happens to them all by themselves I suppose.. without any opinionated-ego ideas/concepts from others to influence their thoughts

whether it be enlightenment or not.. as long as the person gets something out of their experiences then I suppose it was beneficial

 

its not the same, but its part of the process...whether one uses drugs or not.

i also believe psychedelics have the potential to open the higher spiritual realms that most are blind to. there is more to this reality than that which is physical...i know from personal expirience that psychedelics have the power to act as a catalyst for introduction into the astral realms.(no, i wasnt tripping, access was granted in a sober state of mind, because of some of the things psychedelics taught me) psychedelics are but one catalyst...there are many. but ultimatly the destination is the same, no matter what path was followed.

 

Well said!
Your perceptions of your trip are your own, take from them what you will and by all means share your thoughts on the experience but don't be told what you should or shouldn't be getting from a trip!

 

ya when i first started doing alot of sober meditation after i had some intense lsd experiences, projection was hell of a lot easier.. one I knew a little more what to expect, although audio hallucinations or whatever you want to call them still freaked me out if i wasnt on drugs.. and 2 it just seemed to happen easier.. like my mind was able to shift easier, and you learn how to process in chaos into a workable reality..

there was times I would get obe's without even trying lol.. occasionally i still do.. like I'll go to bed and with 10-15mins of laying down it'll happen.. or if i'm sitting still for a while.. like watching a movie.. i get the intense vibrations through me and I can sometimes close my eyes and i dont know how to describe it but it sorta feels like my vision gets inverted.. or reversed.. like from the exterior to the interior realms or something

 

I'd say it affected me for life. It was like going from black and white to color. As soon as you flip that switch for the first time, EVERYTHING CHANGES. It's simply not possible to convey to the unexperienced what precisely happened. And I'll throw this out there: if you are NOT CHANGED, you either 1) didn't have LSD. 2) did not consume a psychedelic dose, or 3) are seriously defective, and your brain chemistry is somehow unbalanced.

 

ever since my first true psychedelic dose, its almost as if all my thoughts are in psychedelic terms.. everything always has this psychedelic meaning to me, ive found that the way I interpret everything is now different.. like its now my very own thoughts and ideas... its not floating along with everyone else.. i've gone off on my own path.. i now operate my own mind a hell of a lot more often

was definitly the most profound change in my life as of yet.. I cant even really remember how I used to think and even exist before it all happened...

I know someone that did 10hits of the same shit I had at one point (of which i didnt do more then 4) and he didnt gain anything.. its like how can you do that high of a dose and still not get it.. then again he had no idea what I was talking about with closed eye visuals and shifting.. kinda looked at me like i was insane (or maybe unsane) when I talked about being a single point of awareness...

damn kids these days lol.. think its all bout swirly textures and pretty colors.. they dont know anything and they're not willing to learn