Evolution Occurs

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by geckopelli, Nov 11, 2009.

  1. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    1) Broccolli proves speciation-- it was bred from the mustard plant, but is infertile with the mustard plant.

    2) The existence of Amino Acids in bright nebula proves that inanimate matter spontaneously evolves in the direction of Life.

    3) Entropy requires that Energy flow.
     
  2. Xac

    Xac Visitor

    Oh FFS, don't we have enough of these threads? honestly, i am enjoying the heated debate, but it would be so much simpler if we could keep it to one thread.
     
  3. Emanresu

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    The wide range of vegetables bred from cabbage demonstrates this as well.
     
  4. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    xac,
    This is an attempt to do as Emanresu has done and cite evidence that bio-evolution occurs, NOT about certain poster trying to redifine definitions to fit his egocentric world view.

    Personally, I find the failed reconvergence of donkeys and horses philosophically fascinating.

    "Intelligent Design" can apparently force the pace of Evolution, but is powerless to reverse it.
     
  5. Emanresu

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    An excellent piece of evidence for evolution comes from an experiment which began in 1971 that involved Podarcis sicula lizards.

    Experimenters transported five pairs of these lizards to an island called Pod Mrcaru, where this type of lizard had never lived before. In 2008 a team of researchers returned to the island to see what, if any, differences had arisen between the transplanted group and the population from which they were taken. There were several anatomical differences between these groups including the size of the head and the strength of the jaw muscles, but one difference was more significant than the others.

    The transplanted lizards began to develop Cecal valves, which not only did not exist in the parent population, they are also rare in the entire family to which this lizard belongs. After a mere 37 years we see a major change to the digestive organs. Imagine what changes could accumulate over millions of generations. The only way to deny that this type of change can lead to new and distinct species is to formulate some preposterous law stating that even though the form and function of all major body systems can change over time, that no such change can occur in any system relevant to the structures necessary to produce fertile offspring.
     
  6. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    Cool- somethong NEW!

    By any chance, can you cite a paper?
     
  7. Emanresu

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    This is the citation:
    Herrel, A.; Huygh, K.; Vanhooydonk, B.; Backeljau, T.; Breugelmans, K.; Grbac, I.; Van Damme, R.; and Irschick, D.J. 2008. Rapid large-scale evolutionary divergence in morphology and performance associated with exploitation of a different dietary resource. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 105, 4792-5.
     
  8. Skizm

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    I know a study that disproves all evolution.

    God, Almighty. Genesis. The Bible, pg. 1
     
  9. YouFreeMe

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    Well to most logically thinking people, it exists XD. We aren't the one's who need convincing!
     
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    Sure they found no more lizards on that island but some new creature, as different from lizard as dogs are from cats.

    This is an excellent piece of evidence for macroevolution.
    (Btw,being hoax perpetrators that bio-evolutionists are i wonder why didn't they just take entirely different animals when they re-visited the Island to claim later that they evolved out of lizards :confused: )
     
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    Uzi's, Ninjas, Mob bosses, Soccer Moms, and Chuck Norris. Only one show combines them all.
     
  13. sathead

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    Talking is existential then: as man could not evolve without loving the faith for a whole life, but whole life is only written about and believed in for survival.

    There is the whole man also who only reconciles himself at home: He'll survive, he'll survive; essentially He thinks he'll live on forever. :cheers2:
     
  14. geckopelli

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    You're a fuckin' genius.
     
  15. geckopelli

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    Just because...
     
  16. Stabby

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    Yes yes evolution is a fact. Its most basic tenets are axiomatic and undeniable. Opponents of evolution don't seem to understand what a scientific theory is and pick at speculative hypotheses pretending it's an attack on the theory itself and claiming that what evolution hasn't proven yet is reason to dismiss its axioms entirely.

    I'm okay with that thought. Gives me practice that will be invaluable in my future as an elementary school teacher.
     
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    Hm. I have turtle in my room, it moves like 20 ft per hour.
    I am sure it would reach Jupiter on it's own if you give it 5 billion years.
    Sorry, cant show you how since we don't live long enough to see, but the fact it moves 20 ft per hour gives us ample and undisputed evidence that it will reach Jupiter in time. Never mind open space and that turtles never were observed to fly in it.

    Hmmm... I also breed some dogs in my backyard. It gives me just as valid idea that given enough time my dogs would evolve into the gas stoves.
    My logic and supremely scientific method is this: since two dogs i breed are not exactly identical, while both gas stove and my dogs have fundamental similarities at elementary level, it tells me they are all related just as two cousins and that in the end a nice gas stove will evolve out of a random dog breeding and natural selection.
    I just can't show this process in entirety as well, since it will take a lot more time than any human being can hope to stay alive to see.

    Now if you doubt this story then i say you are an uneducated moron and an idiot, better go back to high school and read some textbooks on biology.
    Since most of you are afraid to be called uneducated morons i am sure you will swallow this gargantuan BS down your throats and call yourself an educated hens.

    Munchausen would be proud of me !!!
    :cheers2:
     
  18. geckopelli

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    stabby,
    stick around. you can get some hands on practice - as a kindergarten teacher, at any rate! we've even got our own special ed kid. His space worthy turtle theory is nothing compared to what he is about to propose next...
     
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    Another interesting fact that adds support to the theory of evolution is that primate skulls are homeomorphic, meaning that the shape of one primate skull can be transformed into another primate skull without breaking any segments and without causing lines to touch which were not formerly touching.

    This is very interesting because the populations that eventually gave rise to Homo sapiens would have had skulls much closer to chimpanzee skulls than to modern human skulls. These mathematical transformations demonstrate that the only thing that needs to change to create different primate skulls is the timing of growth. This supports the theory of evolution for a few reasons but one important reason is that it demonstrates the small amount of genetic change necessary to create what seem to be very different forms.
     
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    Another interesting fact that adds support to the theory of evolution is that Toyota Camry SE model has foglights , meaning that the shape of the bumper can be transformed to hold foglishts without breaking any segments and without causing lines to touch which were not formerly touching.

    This is very interesting because the cars that eventually gave rise to Toyotas would have had fog lights much closer to side of the hood than to modern Toyota's bumpers. These mathematical transformations demonstrate that the only thing that needs to change to create different bumper for newer foglights is the timing of growth. This supports the theory of evolution for a few reasons but one important reason is that it demonstrates the small amount of change necessary to create what seem to be very different trims of cars.

    :cheers2:
     

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