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Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Freedom_Man, Nov 5, 2006.

  1. Freedom_Man

    Freedom_Man Senior Member

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    Well, I know evolution states nothing about how all the matter and energy appeared, and that it only explains the diversity of the species, we all evolved from one form to another over millions and billions of years. it is fact. creationism is fiction.

    Now since evolution is a FACT, can christianity be viable, is adam and eve a metaphor or what? if evolution is true there is really no original sin.

    so,is christianity a viable belief system since evoultion is true?
     
  2. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    There was some evolution... obviously there wasn't a million species of dogs, but not to the extent that Darwin proposed.
     
  3. Freedom_Man

    Freedom_Man Senior Member

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    there aren't millions of species, there is dogs, and the dogs we have today evolved from different forms basically its hard to explain.

    talk.origons is a good website.

    but honestly, i have nothing against christianity, its just is it metaphorical or not, the story of creation?
     
  4. JesusDiedForU

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    It is the inerrant word of God... varying specie evolution doesnt not conflict with the Bible... Changing species does. We are different than an Ape.
     
  5. spook13

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    I can understand God as the supreme first cause, working first through active creation and process initiation, and then as the eternal passive witness as the universe develops through microevolution.

    The big-bang, primordial-soup macro version of evolution lacks the personal divine element, though it could be interpreted in terms of an impersonal God.

    The Biblical six day/Adam and Eve version is an obvious metaphor or illustrative story.
     
  6. FreakerSoup

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    No it isn't. It is definitively the words of men. You may claim it was originally inspired by god, but it has also been copied, mistranlated, and edited enough that the books that made it to the final thing (while others didn't) are a good ways from the originals.
    Why not? Why is this so different from the other kind? Is it not driven by the same process? Could you not say a mule and a horse are different species? A liger and a tiger?

    Why?

    Obviously. But 1, we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees, and 2, I am different from my father as well, but our similarities are a good sign of how closely related we are.
     
  7. revolution_time

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    christens, evolution has been proven. it's time to accept that. but admitting that evolution is a reality doesn't mean the death of your faith. it is the answer to how, not the why.
     
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    When will people realise that Evolutionism has been thoroughly discredited by scientific enlightenment.
    Apparently not even in 2006 for some.
     
  10. bustramp

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    As I understand it evolution is a theory.
     
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    No, evolution along with creationism are both theories, why all the fuss?
     
  12. Gravity

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    Besides the theory, there is the fact of evolution, the observation that life has changed greatly over time. The fact of evolution was recognized even before Darwin's theory. The theory of evolution explains the fact.

    Creationism is neither theory nor fact; it is, at best, only an opinion. Since it explains nothing, it is scientifically useless.
     
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    I think that's backwards, there are facts and evidences to support both theorys.
     
  14. ElProximo

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    Besides the theory, there is the fact of creationism, the observation that life has been created at one time. The fact of creationism was recognized even before Moses book. The theory of creationism explains the fact.

    Evolutionism is neither theory nor fact; it is, at best, only an opinion. Since it explains nothing, it is scientifically useless.


    Hey look... I can make statements too!
    That was pretty easy and fun!
     
  15. spook13

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    Then you must have the info on the observer...independent non-biased source, please.

    If the "Moses book" was Genesis, and Genesis was the first book of the Bible, who was the independent, non-biased observer that recognized the fact?

    Theory doesn't become fact until proven by an overwhelming body of supporting data derived from experimentation and observation. Creationism, from an empirical scientific viewpoint, doesn't meet these tests.

    If you look up the definition of theory, you can see that evolutionism qualifies as such, even if it's not a proven fact either.

    I take it your phrase explains nothing means does not equal fact...that doesn't equate with scientific uselessness. Any observed data can be scientifically useful, even if it does ultimately lead to a dead end...it's usefulness lies in the fact that it has been tested, proven extraneous and useless, and can be discarded.

    I enjoy it myself!
     
  16. Freedom_Man

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    Nowhere does the fact of evolution state we got humans from monkeys. all evolution is is this.

    a biological change in the gene pool of a population.

    by means of adaptation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

    It states that the species we have know have common ancestors. It only explains the diversity of the species.

    and yes the earth adn universe are BILLIONS of years old.

    the law of matter: matter cannot be created or destroyed:it can change from one form to another

    there you go EVOLUTION.

    Theory-a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact

    well "just" a theory kind of is a weak argument isn't it now?

    creationism isn't even a theory, shit I wouldn't call it a good hypothesis.

    kent hovind and all are fucking idiots!!!
     
  17. revolution_time

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    what facts are there that even support creationism?
     
  18. ElProximo

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    There is no scientific evidence for Evolutionism.
    It doesnt answer anything.
    Creationism is based on scientific evidence and explains the world we live in today.

    See, this is the reason 99% of you dumbasses will NEVER get ANYWHERE on any internet forum in this discussion.
    Over and over and over and over and over and fucking over again its the same stupidity.
    Posterising.
    Asserting.

    You post for the 4000 fucking time a 'statement' that 'asserts' that evolutionism is true because its science,
    therefore its science
    but
    Creationism is not science because its not true because its not science because its not true.

    I KNOW you fucking think Evolutionism is scientific becasue you were told it was.
    So post something.
    Dont fucking post your 'Opening Premise'.
    SUPPORT IT.
    And dont 'support it' by another fucking 'assertion' that its true.

    "DUH FUK.. Ok.. Evolutionism is Fact *because* its supported by facts and also because its been proven"

    Idiots.
    Just idiots.
     
  19. Gravity

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  20. ElProximo

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    Wow.
    If this couldnt get any stupider its the amazing 'talkoriginsfuckinglink'.
    Yes,
    Yes I understand you are tricked by talkorigins.
    I get it.
    Thats exactly where the damm problem is with this anyways.

    Look folks,
    Talkorigins is MADE FOR YOU.
    Its made SO THAT you 'think' you have seen something proving to you evolutionism is real.
    You should be pissed off they sit back amusing their asses off at yet another rube who they led into their manipulation.

    Evolutionism is not only stupid pseudoscience but its loaded with liars, cheats and the kind of people that make propaganda sites like talkorigins - designed to eat the unwitting.
    Think for yourselves people.
    Think for yourselves.

    Here let me see if I can play link-counterlink?
    http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1a.asp
    There,
    now i cancelled out yours.

    Care to give a link and also ADD or DEAL with something that YOU have to say and think about it?
     

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