Ex-Illuminati Leo Zagami On Jesuits,Zionist & Masons

Discussion in 'Conspiracy' started by ~MorningManiacMusic~, Jun 22, 2007.

  1. ~MorningManiacMusic~

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  2. mbworkrelated

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    I've never seen so much bullshit in all my life.
     
  3. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    He says many things that are true, but this is mostly blatant disinformation, and I am certain Leo Zagami isn't who he says he is. A person as high up as Zagami claims to be couldn't just break ranks and go public with "insider knowledge" (most of which is already known) without suffering any repercussions. People like Zagami are put out there to mislead people and send them off in the wrong direction... kind of like the people who mix relevant information with New Age fluff and reptilians. Anytime you have someone attempting to cast all the blame on "the Zionists" or "the Jesuits," you know it's disinfo, because in reality it goes much higher than Zionism, or even the Vatican.
     
  4. ~MorningManiacMusic~

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    Ha...The main reason I posted it was to get a response from you Rat.You seem to know alot about the subject,and I was just wondering if this guy was legit or just full shit.

    He said something about him being a 90th degree mason..Do you think that could be true?
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I highly doubt it. Nobody makes it that far, then all of a sudden decides they're going to break ranks and go public. That just doesn't happen, and the whole thing is just silly in my opinion. Masons swear blood oaths that, if broken, are punishable by death. So I would say he is either simply full of it, or has been put out there by somebody with an agenda.

    This guy basically is just regurgitating a lot of low level OTO-type fluff about satanists and blood rituals, and everything else aimed at drawing people in with fantasy, while sending them off in all sorts of weird directions. He gives you some basic truths, as all disinformation requires some truth, then spins it off into a fantasy world with all the low-level occult stuff to draw people in and mislead them.

    There are masonic groups, such as the OTO (which Zagami has been linked to), which actually send people out to peddle all sorts of fantastic stories to mislead those seeking the truth, and there is tons of this disinformation out there which is being peddled in books and on the internet for people to gobble up.
     
  6. aspirine

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    If Zagami is that far up in the conspiricy, he should be very rich. Is he rich?

    And Pressed Rat, the OTO has nothing to do with legit Freemasonry. I thought you knew that.
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    What in your opinion is "legit Freemasonry"? The local lodge your grandfather or next store neighbor belongs to?
     
  8. aspirine

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    Here are some quick local examples.
    The legit lodges are known for funding Childrens Hospitals and other good works.
    From my area.

    Ancient Free @ Accepted Masons of Oregon

    Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of Washington State

    Free & Accepted Masons of Washington

    These groups meet in our building.

    Blue lodges

    Mount Hood lodge #32
    Washington lodge #4
    Ridgefield Daylight lodge #237
    Vancouver Prince Hall Lodge #47

    Other Masonic Bodies

    Scottish Rite Lodge of Perfection
    Gateway Shrine Club
    Knights Templar, Royal and Select

    MastersRoyal Arch Masons
    Eastern Star
    York Rite


    Masonic Youth Groups
    International Order of the Rainbow for

    Girls
    Order of DeMolay
    International Order of Jobs Daughters

    Here is a website with a list and links to

    legit grand lodges.
    http://www.masonic-oregon.com/content/membe

    rs/masonicLinks.php

    Other Legit Masonic Groups
    Al Kader Shriners
    Masonic Medical Research Laboratory
    Masonic War Memorial
    National Sojourners Inc.
    Oregon Grand York Rite Bodies
    In your area the New York area look at this

    website. http://www.nymasons.org/cms/

    Grand Lodge F. & A. M. State of New York

    Here is a list of legit lodge websites in

    your state.
    http://www.nymasons.org/cms/onlinelodges

    And then there are the Masonic old folks

    homes. Here is the website for NY.
    http://www.masonichomeny.org/

    These are good people doing good things for

    people.


    Then I looked at the NY Masonic compact.

    Masonic Compact
    Submitted by Site Administrator on Mon,

    2006-08-14 23:01.
    Because I am a Freemason...

    ... I believe that freedom of religion is

    an inalienable human right and tolerance an

    indispensable trait of human character;

    therefore, I will stand in my Lodge with

    Brothers of all faiths, and respect their

    beliefs as they respect mine, and I will

    demonstrate the spirit of Brotherhood in

    all aspects of my life.

    ... I know that education and the rational

    use of the mind are the keys to facing the

    problems of humanity; therefore, I will

    bring my questions and my ideas to my

    Lodge, and strive to advance the growth of

    my mind alongside my Brothers.

    ... I know that the rich tradition of

    Freemasonry and its framework of Ritual are

    important platforms for growth and

    learning; therefore, I vow to stand upon

    these platforms to improve myself as a

    human being, and I vow to help in the

    mission of the Craft to provide tools,

    atmosphere, challenges and motivation to

    help each Brother do the same.

    ... I know that charity is the

    distinguishing human virtue, and that

    personal community service is the best

    demonstration of one’s commitment to

    humanity; I acknowledge that words without

    deeds are meaningless, and I vow to work

    with my Lodge to provide service to the

    community, and to promote charity,

    friendship, morality, harmony, integrity,

    fidelity and love.

    ... I know that my obligation to community

    extends beyond my local sphere and is

    partly fulfilled in my patriotism: love of

    my country, obedience to its laws and

    celebration of the freedoms and

    opportunities it symbolizes.

    ... I know that leadership is best

    demonstrated by commitment to serving

    others; I will therefore participate in,

    and help work at improving individual

    leadership skills, and serve the Brothers

    of my Lodge to the best of my ability.

    ... I know that friendship, fidelity and

    family are the foundations of a well-lived

    life; I therefore vow to be a faithful

    friend to my Brothers, as I expect my Lodge

    to respect my personal obligations, and to

    treat my family as though my family were

    their own.

    ... I know that the last great lesson of

    Freemasonry -- the value of personal

    integrity and the sanctity of one’s word--

    is a lesson for all people in all times; I

    therefore vow to be a man of my word.

    ... I know that Masonry’s power is best

    exercised when its Light is shared with the

    world at large; I therefore vow to bring

    the best of myself to my Lodge, in order

    that my growth might be fostered and

    nurtured, and to present myself to the

    world as a working Freemason, on the path

    to building a more perfect temple.

    Because I am a Freemason, these values and

    aspirations are guideposts for my progress

    through life.
    ____________________________

    Then I went to a bluegrass festival.
     
  9. Nalencer

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    Those are not "legit". They're a legitimate cover for the real purpose behind Freemasonry. Most of the people involved in Freemasonry have no idea what it's really about. That's where these guys come in. They're a cover for the people at the top. Nothing "legit" about it.
     
  10. aspirine

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    Nalencer, your statement is absurd. Is an organization what it does, or is it what its foes say it does even though they have no proof or their accusations? By their fruits you shall know them.

     
  11. Nalencer

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    Yes, an organization is what it does. However, what you see Freemasons doing in the public eye is not all they do, nor is it what they're really about. Again, the vast majority of Masons have no idea what any of it really means. To them it's just a social club. But at the top, it is a branch of the Illuminati network, which is used as a tool to their ends. There is a lot of proof to this, if you look into it. Why are you so eager to defend Masons anyway?
     
  12. crummyrummy

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    people that are afraid of the dark generally invent reasons to justify why they are afraid of the dark. Look under your bed, its the Masons!!!!!!
    and as soon as another says "yes, the boogie masons are under your bed", those people immediately believe that person, because they said what those people needed to hear. And even if there is some global conspiracy to keep the powerful , well, powerfull, how is your living in fear of them keeping you happy?
     
  13. Nalencer

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    I don't live in fear. I'm a very happy person. I do everything you'd expect a person to do. I don't live in a dark basement and never leave the house. I don't wear a tinfoil hat. I take an interest in what these people are doing because I think it's very important information to be aware of. I certainly don't base my life around it.
     
  14. aspirine

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    I have only seen examples of good works in the past 10 years that I have been a Master Mason. I have been disturbed to see Thelamites in some lodges (it gives me the creeps). But they have their religion and their activities are not those of the lodges they belong to.

    As to what Freemasonry really means! There are a couple of ultimate lessons that I am free to share.
    1. Treat each other most excellently.
    2. The nature of enlightenment.


     
  15. Nalencer

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    You're a Mason? What degree?
     
  16. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    He said Master Mason, so that would be third degree. Unless he went on to further degrees with the Scottish or York Rites. Most Masons go no further than the third degree, and many Master Masons think they have been let on to the secrets, but in reality have only been mislead with low-level exoteric interpretations, where they only THINK they've been let on to the truth. It's more of an ego thing than anything else.
     
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    I have read the other degrees up to 32, no wait I have even read the administrative 33rd. As to the "esoteric" meanings, they are open to interpretation. As a theosophist it is not that new. The allegory is facinating.
    The revelatons arrived at the 32 degree are a restatement of those in the 3rd degree for those who can understand what is actually being said. I am not Christian enough to quaify for the York rite, and I am not interested doing the Scottish rite at this time. It would just be one more thing I would not have time to do. The exoteric meaning of Freemasonry is what is actually most important. Ah but as I was taught theosophy under the guidance of Zen masters, my perspective may not align with Pressed Rats worldview.

    What is obvious is that any volunteer organization is what the overwhelming majority of its members direct it to be. The Jesuit lies about the Freemasons contradict the obvious truth by asserting that at the very top of the organization, there is a super secret group with goals that are contrary to the goals, teachings, and actions of the entire rest of the orgaization. However a major flaw in the Jesuit lies is the democratic nature of the actual structure and operations of the Masonic organizations. There is actually no place for such a group in a democratic or presbyterian structure like the Freemasons.

    To be sure, anywhere men of wealth an power meet they will form alliances to increase their wealth and power. This is how the world works. That however is a function of individual association rather than the function of the Grand Lodge.

    There are conspiricies, the Roman Catholic Church has been at them for a long long time. In all probability there are several conspiricies. Sometimes they work together, while other times they work against each other. I am not at all sure the Bilderbergers have all that much influence over the Far East for example.

    Any way lies about the Freemasons are big business. For example "The Prophecy Club" sells many books and videos, but its biggest sellers are LIES about the Freemasons, and the lies are told by proven frauds. Even so they sell the books because they are in the business to make money of gullible folks.




     
  18. Nalencer

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    Ah, I see. Once I learned you wre a Mason, I thought you might be a disinfo agent. But if you're only 3rd degree, you're just a dupe. Carry on.

    And for the record, the Jesuits are another branch of the Illuminati network, alongside the Freemasons. They are both ultimately working toward the same goals.
     
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    Oh and that is why Jesuits have tortured Freemasons to death huh. AS to duped, one might say the same thing about people who believe unsubstancianted stories and stories that have been proven to be false.

    Now real good conspiricies occure in the Entertainment industry.
     
  20. Nalencer

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    Okay, substantiate your claims that Jesuits have tortured Freemasons.
     

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