Farenheitt 9/11

i watched this movie today for my legal studies class and it made me so angry. i honestly never really paid much attention to george bush, although i've always been under the impression he is an idiot, but after watching this i'm convinced he is a complete dick... what kind of a president just keeps readin to children when he has just been told his country is under attack. and why the hell would be associate with people related to the guy who organised these attacks. honestly, what a wanker...
and then i had to sit there and listen to this soldier saying how distressing it was seeing children with their noses blown off, or husbands who were carrying their dead wives. seriously. u wouldnt have to see it IF YOU HADNT BLOWN THEM UP IN THE FIRST PLACE....

does anybody feel the same as i do?

 

Hate to burst your bubble, but most of that movie was bullshit. Editing of interiews, statements taken out of context, fragments of facts used to suggest things that simply are not true, etc.... Michael Moore is a master of deceiving people. Not saying that some things in the movie aren't relevant, just that the way he presents the information is not honest.


You should see a balance of this movie called Fahrenhype 9/11. It has interviews with people and soldiers that were in Michael Moores movie and they state that their interview was taken out of context and edited to suggest things they do not believe. And this is supposed to be a documentary? You should not take Fahrenheit 9/11 at face value, and if it causes emotion, you should research some of the topics and learn the truth to points Moore is trying to make.

 

id recomend watching both movies and forming an opinion not crafted by an oversized ewok.

 

i'm sorry but i have never even heard of farenhype 9/11 and i hadnt heard of farenheit 9/11 until today either.

i personally think that war or fighting over anything is just blatently stupid.

and i think george w bush is a dick so.... thats my opinion.... i thought the whole movie was just stupid and really random but yeah....

 

He arrived at the gradeschool at 8:51. The Pentagon was hit at 9:37 and he left the gradeschool at 9:45. It took three strikes before they finally realized it was an attack and he wasn't safe there. After the Pentagon was hit, they finally moved his dumb butt out of there, nearly an hour after he arrived and the first aircraft strike.

Bush's supporters have tried to come up with alibis as to why he just sat there, such as 'he didn't want to scare the children', etc. Good thing it wasn't a nuclear attack.

Other people make his decisions, so it's not surprising he acted the way he did. He couldn't even testify at the 911 commission without Cheney along with him taking him by the hand. They had Condi testify late afternoon on Holy Thursday of Easter week after all the journalists had already left town. What a fearless administration. Nice photo ops with big military planes behind them, yet they're scared to testify in front of a committee.

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Michael Moore is nothing more than a propagandist for the Democratic Party. Movies like Fahrenheit 9/11 don't even scratch the surface, rather confirm things that most people already know. Most of us already know Bush is a fucking idiot. We don't need Michael Moore to tell us.

The reason Bush wasn't whisked away from the classroom is because it was known there was no threat to him, as the very attacks that occured that morning were not a product of Arab extremists with boxcutters, but the government itself.

 

yeah. he put all those children's lives in jeopardy by gathering them all around behind him to address the nation..just another fuckin' photo op. then he flew all the bin ladens to paris. wouldn't want to upset the relationship he has with that family! SAUDI ARABIANS carried out 9/11. And yet we are at war with IRAQ? what the fuck? could it have something to do with Bush's oil profits? oh wait-that's right! Bush "really thought" they had WMD's! i guess we're just liberating the Iraqi people. yeah right! what bullshit.

 

I guess there are some Saudi Arabians in the CIA, but isn't it kind of unfair to focus in on them? They might not have even been involved.

 

do you think the CIA was responsible for 9/11? is that why you're saying this? and i'm not even talking about going to war with saudi arabia, if what you're trying to say is we shouldn't mess with people just because they're of the same nationality. i'm against war in any case. i'm just speculating as to why we're in iraq if they've never done anything to us. oh, and by the way, radical islam is violent, besides extremely chauvinist. explain to me about the peaceful muslims. i've heard that divisions of the religion are, but anyone who blows up innocent bystanders in the name of religion...that's violence. is is possible that these people are completely misrepresenting Islam and have given it a bad name? please, fill me in. and don't get perturbed when people think islam is violent. remember what the average person is exposed to. and be grateful you live in canada right now. the u.s. has pretty much gone to hell since bush took over.

 

The number of radical Muslims has been exaggerated by the media, but the number is rapidly increasing because of our actions abroad. You can't illegally invade a sovereign country, kill its people and destroy its infrastucture, and expect people to not hate you. But this is exactly what they want. The government wants these people to hate us because they need enemies to justify their wars. Whatever enemies they don't have, they must create. This is the way it has always been throughout history.

The fact is, the "War on Terror" is a farce, and it's likely al-Qaeda is little more than a deluded fantasy in the minds of those who are falling for what we see unfolding, which is all part of an agenda that was planned long before 9/11.

Whether radical Islam exists the way the government and media want us to believe, it's hard to say. But the chance of these people being able to pull off a 9/11-style attack by themselves is very slim.

Most people are so conditioned they can be told their country is under attack by foreign enemies, and they will automatically believe it, never seeking any proof for what they're being told. They're conditioned to believe everything the government and media tells them without ever questioning its validity. The idea that a person's own government would carry out an act of terror on its own people is unfathomable to most people who have been conditioned to believe that it "can't happen here."

Like I have said before, this isn't so much a war ON terror as much it is a war OF terror. Fear and terror are being used to scare the public into submission so they will accept what we see unfolding. It's all been planned this way, and it was planned long ago.

 

i don't think the federal government is responsible for 9/11. i do think they have, as you said, taken every opportunity to scare and shock American people and have blown SO many things out of proportion. the chances of dying in a plane crash are lower than your risks of dying from heart disease, cancer, car accidents, disease, etc., but Bush's administration and his filter on the media has made the same people who will drive a car to buy a doughnut from a coughing teenager and never think twice (in the words of Michael Moore), afraid to fly or visit major cities.

why do you think people are willing to let the "PATRIOT" act stand? bush talks about terrorists every chance he gets. he's used this as an opportunity to steal citizens' civil liberties by scaring them all into trusting him.

 

You don't think the federal government was behind 9/11, but how much research have you done into it? I'd take another look at the information given to us to see if it adds up.

As far as people willing to let the Patriot Act stand, it has to do with a combination of fear and complacency. It is unlikely people would have ever accepted the Patriot Act -- which, might I add, was written before 9/11 -- if it wasn't for the attacks. Now, we are constantly bombarded with fear-mongering over the threat of terrorism. When you instill enough fear into the public, you can scare them into handing over their rights and liberties in the name of "protection," which is anything but protection. It only results in tyranny, which is what we see unfolding.

 

like i said, i totally agree with you about the government using scare tactics. we've really nothing to fear in the way of "attacks" and terrorists, but i don't think the gov. was behind it because saudi arabians have plenty of reasons to hate americans. most of the muslim world hates the u.s. because women don't cover their hair, and a lot of stupid reasons like that. much of the entire world hates the u.s. because they are beaten for making production mistakes on GAP clothing they will never wear, but we will. they hate and envy us because while their children die from malnutrition, we spend money on things as frivolous as dog clothing. we waste tons of food every day. while they can't find drinking water not containing fecal material, we're watering our lawns and washing our shiny S.U.V.s that suck down the oil their countries produce. plus bush, the son of the man who entered the gulf war, was in office saying such junior high phrases as "bring it on." to the rest of the world. (well actually that was after 9/11 but it's a good example of his attitude and mindset) so no, while i respect all you've had to say, i don't agree with your conspiracy. i am, however, against this war, as i have been from the beginning, and i don't think we should be in a war of any kind.

 

i would believe that the patriot act was written before 9/11, and i do think bush must've known it was going to happen. and i can certainly see why you'd believe what you do. what you've said could definitely make sense

 

well put rat. and it should be clear at this point that the actions of the united states will continue on this path, unhindered by its citizens, until it inevitably crumbles under its own weight. such is the way of empires, they just aren't sustainable in the long term. the biggest question is: how many other nations will they drag down in the process?

there is wordwide contempt for this country, whose actions are invisible to its own citizens, but not to outsiders. it really is an embarassment to the human race. fortunately we can already see that the neo-conservative agenda has failed, and the limits of america's power are becoming explicitly obvious.

 

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Farenheit 9/11 is whitewashed nonsensical bullshit that portrays Bush as an idiot.........in fact, Bush is NOT an idiot at all, he's quite intelligent. The truth of what really happened, is far more terrifying.

manufacturing whitewashed disent........

 

Yes, Bush is SO smart, he asked a French dignitary if there was a word in the French language for "entrepreneur" and didn't know the Canadian Prime Minister's name. But his intelligence shows most of all when he's bungling up simple grammar in front of millions of people. I was especially inspired when he said that "we" must not let terrorists hold this nation "hostile".

Now, pixeewinged, if you're going to accuse me of being "conceited", which, from noting the context is what I assume you meant to say, at least spell it correctly. You wrote "conceded", which means to surrender. I'd like to know at what point I gave the impression that I buy all the media's bullshit about "hating freedom". The people we're discussing are very deeply religious. Of course they dislike some things about the West, such as women's rights, because they disagree with it. It's the same with any religion. You noted fundamental Christian crazies bombing abortion clinics;that was a good example. Can't that kind of hatred apply to the Middle East? I never claimed that uncovered hair was the only reason they despise the U.S. I remember writing that they hated us for a lot of reasons;this was merely an example. I also remember going off on a rant earlier in this thread about American greed, laziness, wastefulness, selfishness, and boorish insensitivity to the rest of the world. The world knows that the average American will step on anyone to indulge him/herself, and that that same kind of person doesn't give a fuck if children are starving, if people are being persecuted for their lifestyles or beliefs, so long as their fat asses are comfortable. This kind of thing breeds hatred and in turn, terrorism.
And why your focus on Iran? I never suggested a war with them. I'm very opposed to it, just as much, if not more, as I am to the war in Iraq now. I don't even want a war with Saudi Arabia, and the 9'11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian. And whether the religious or political leaders start the shit, does it matter? The ones who carry out the acts do it in the name of religion. I also disagree that they hate us because we shun anything progressive or secular. Women have no rights in their culture (not very progressive, right?), and religion rules everything. The whole civilization stops and bows toward Mecca several times a day. Sunnis and Shiites fight all the time (in Iraq). Not very secular!

 

Bush isn't smart?

http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/bushdummy100.wmv

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Oh my.

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