fuck the united nations..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hippiehillbilly, May 27, 2008.

  1. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    while everyone has been up the united states ass about the war in iraq the united nations has spent the last several years raping,murdering,robbing,and now it comes out molesting children,,all in the name of "peacekeeping"..

    its absolutely disgusting to me the autrosities that the united nations "peacekeeping" forces have been committing over this last decade with seemingly no outrage from anyone..
    about once every six months another story comes out about there abuse of power an no one utters a word of outrage..

    well i for one am outraged!!
    i say fuck the united nations..
    we should pull out of the U.N. and cut all funding to them immediately..
    we as a nation should not condone such actions..

    if you feel the war in iraq is a travesty,then it is your duty to take a stand against the united nations as well.
    we must send a message to these animals that we as a nation can not and will not look the other way anymore.
     
  2. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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  3. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    HHB, while the actions of very few peacekeepers (and also other charity aid workers) were deplorable, the UN (and the charities such as Save The Children) have put a lot of effort into weeding the problem out and trying to get rid of it. Fact of the matter is, you'll get bastards in any organisation. You can't say, just because it turns out that several doctors have abused patients then we should condemn the entire health service as rapists. The people involved should be brought to justice, and given counselling, anyone who looks at a natural disaster and wants to take advantage of the victims is fucked up. But we can't forget that the vast majority of the peacekeeping forces (and charity aid workers) are there for entirely noble, altruistic reasons.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    This isn't new. Look at some of the pictures that emerged in the late 90's from Somalia. Pictures of UN "peacekeepers" torturing Somali kids by holding them over fires and pouring vomit-laced water down their throats.

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  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    But what do you expect with an organization that was once headed by the Nazi war criminal, Kurt Waldheim?
     
  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1997/06/24/wbel24.html

    Belgian UN troops admit to 'roasting' Somali boy
    By Robert Fox and AFP




    TWO Belgian paratroopers who were photographed "roasting" a Somali boy over a flaming brazier are expected to be jailed for only a month and fined £200 after admitting the atrocity in a military court in Brussels yesterday.

    Privates Claude Baert and Kurt Coelus faced a maximum of a year in jail but the prosecutor demanded only a month. Sentence will be passed on Monday. The case against a third soldier accused of atrocities during the United Nations "Restore Hope" mission three years ago was adjourned until September.

    Sgt Dirk Nassel is accused of forcing a young Somali to eat pork, drink salt water, and then eat his vomit. The three soldiers were charged with assault and threatening behaviour.

    A fourth member of the 3rd battalion of the Parachute Regiment, based at Tielen in Flanders, is also due to go on trial in September. Sergeant Major Rudy Derkinderen is suspected of having murdered a Somali whom he was photographed urinating on.

    The circumstances surrounding the death of another child at the paratroopers' base near Kismayo in southern Somalia are also under investigation. According to the testimony of two former paratroopers, the boy, who had been caught trying to steal food, died after being locked in a container for 48 hours.

    The Defence Minister, Jean-Pol Poncelet, has promised that any of the paratroopers found guilty of criminal acts in Somalia will be dishonourably discharged. Baert has already left the army but Coelus is now in the navy and Nassel has remained at Tielen.

    Mr Poncelet has also ordered an inquiry to establish whether the incidents were part of a broader pattern of abuse of the local population. If it is, he has promised to disband the 3rd battalion.

    Fifteen members of the regiment were investigated in 1995 for "acts of sadism and torture" against Somalian civilians.

    One paratrooper has been sentenced to five years, following the murder of a Somalian youth, who allegedly had uncovered illegal arms trading by the paratroopers. Belgium is the third country involved in the "Restore Hope" mission to charge its soldiers for serious misdemeanours against Somalian civilians, including rape, torture and murder. In 1995 a group of Canadian paratroopers were investigated for torturing a Somali to death and killing three others.

    The charges of indiscipline, racism, and the rituals for new members of the unit led to the Canadian Airborne Regiment being disbanded last year. Earlier this month gruesome photographs were published in a Milan magazine of Italian soldiers torturing a young Somali youth, and abusing and raping a young Somali girl. Two Italian generals involved in "Restore Hope" have subsequently resigned to clear the way for a major investigation of the unit involved, the Folgore (Lightning) Division currently deployed on peacekeeping duties in Albania.

    The Italian parliament has set up a major investigation and boards of inquiry of the Italian army are at work. Paratroopers of the Folgore claim that they were specifically trained in methods of torture to aid interrogation. According to one witness Italian soldiers tied a young Somali girl to the front of an armoured carrier and raped her while officers looked on.

    The witness told investigators: "When the officers wanted to have fun, everybody went along with it."

    Over the weekend an interpreter with the Italian force in Somalia accused a Folgore battalion commander of sexually abusing a 13-year-old Somali youth. The "Restore Hope" mission has become the most controversial of all recent peacekeeping operations undertaken under the UN banner. It was mandated in 1992 to provide medical aid and food after civil order in Somalia collapsed following the overthrow of the Marxist dictator Maj Gen Muhammad Siad Barré, after a 17-year civil war.

    The operation was directed by an American admiral, and spearheaded by American Marines. After the murder of 20 Pakistani soldiers in an ambush and the killing and dragging of two American Marines through the streets of Mogadishu, the American command moved from peacekeeping to offensive operations against the warlords running the main Somali cities, principally Mogadishu and Kismayo.

    Though they used helicopter gunships and area bombardment, the Americans failed to defeat the leading warlord, Gen Muhammad Farrah Aidid, and eventually the UN forces were ordered to withdraw. A common thread through the accusations against the Belgian, Italian and Canadian forces, is the racism of elite units, particularly airborne units, and their inability to adapt to low-intensity peacekeeping operations.

    Last week an Italian paratrooper said: "What's the big deal? They are just niggers anyway."

    The head of the UN's peacekeeping department, Under Secretary General Bernard Miyet, said: "The image of the United Nations has been tarnished." 16 June 1997: Generals quit over 'Somalia atrocities'
    22 June 1997: Simpson on Sunday: You've all gone quiet over there
    5 August 1996: Obituary: General Mohamed Farah Aidid
    28 February 1995: Marines land to cover UN's Somalia pull-out
     
  7. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    thank you rat.. this IS NOT!! a few isolated incidents as finnaz would lead you to believe..
    this is rampant and WIDE SPREAD abuse of power..
     
  8. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    Surely that just shows Rat, that however horrific the events carried out by troops are, those involved are brought to justice.
     
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    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    let me hang you over a open fire "just for show" and then tell me its all in fun...
     
  12. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    Thing is though, due to the nature of these offences, the victims are too scared to come out about what has happened to them and so few are heard about. I'm not denying that this is a problem. But the organisations involved (inc. the UN) are putting more effort in now into clamping down on it. All I was saying is that you cannot generalise all UN peacekeeping troops as sexual predators or sadists. There are going to be some in any situation. I fail to see how drawing out of the organisation does anything to stop the problem. I would understand if there was some concerned effort to deny that this is happening or if the UN had made some attempt to have this report silenced, but it hasn't happened. They are trying to stop the problem, probably not hard enough, but severing all ties with them isn't going to help.
     
  13. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    When did I even imply that that's what I thought :S, I said these were horrific acts and the people involved should be brought to justice and recieve the longest sentences possible.
     
  14. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    the fact is,, THEY ARE NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    therefore i say enough is enough..
    a decade of looking the other way is enough..

    you think what you want, your views are somewhat irrelevant to me anyway as you are not even of age to vote much less IMO fully understand what is being allowed to take place...

    the united nations does far more harm to the poor of the world through there policies as a whole than they do good.

    you are aware they sterilize women and children through vaccines without telling them aernt you??

    http://poisonevercure.150m.com/population_control.htm

    oh i could go into great depth, why the united nations as a whole is bullshit and why we should pull out but im not going to debate politics with a kid.. no offense but i would wind up spending more time educating than debating...
     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I cannot single the UN out, because the US has done some pretty atrocious things as well. It's all interconnected at the top. But the UN is portrayed as the "good guys" by the media. There is a reason for this which I won't get into now. It ties in with the dialectic. When the story about the Somalia atrocities were brought to light, it received very little attention from the mainstream press in the US. Most people are completely unaware of the origins of the UN or what its agenda really is. Most people don't realize that the UN was created by the US -- in particular members of the Council on Foreign Relations -- and its primary source of funding to this day comes from the US. The average person is lead to believe that the UN holds little power and is merely for peacekeeping, when that is far from the true reality.
     
  16. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    Look, you are in no position to tell me I have no clue what is going on in the world. You spent a fair amount of time thinking there were Aliens under San Francisco I seem to remember.

    I know the UN has been complicit in a lot of horrible things in the past. But it is not a fundamentally wrong institution.

    Please don't attempt to send me to websites that still try to imply that MMR vaccinations cause Autism, the vast medical majority believes that the risks involved with vaccinations are far outweighed by the benefits, and strangely enough, I'm going to stick with the people who know what they are talking about. I know in your world said people want to kill off half the world's population and then take over with death squads. But, in mine, they don't.
     
  17. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Aliens under San Francisco?? I said that??

    As far as vaccines, you are right. The medical establishment, which is owned by the pharmaceutical cartels, says vaccines are safe. They also say it's good to drug young children with powerful stimulant drugs. I mean, just look at Vioxx. They said that was safe, too, after it killed scores of people while knowing it was dangerous but kept it on the market anyway.

    Keep on listening to what the "experts" tell you. Surely they know what's best.
     
  18. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    its obvious you are not reading in its entirety any link ive posted so i see no reason to continue this discussion..

    have a great day... :)
     
  19. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    Nonono, not you, HHB, you at least have always shied away from that conspiracy. There's a difference however, they never claimed Vioxx saved lives, and it never did save lives. Vaccines have saved many many lives, and there's evidence to corroborate that.
     
  20. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Yes, and many of the things they still vaccinate against have long been eradicated. More people died from the flu than polio. Children today are receiving more vaccinations than ever before, which explains why autism rates have skyrocketed from 1 in 5,000 in the 80's, to 1 in 166 today.
     

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