Gay marriage in america

who of all you believes that marriage should be legalized for gay couples and why

i have an opinion but i would like to hear what you all have to say

i am sure this question has been asked before but i assure you that this question is not my motivation for posting

also answer the question:

In the u s of a are all actions thoughts and behaviors gauranteed as rights or does it need to be justified before it is gauranteed as a right

 

Kinda sounds like a school marm who wants to trap you with an answer.

Gay Marriage should be legal because the first amendment gaurentees freedom of religion. My religion says it's okay for two girls to marry.

for instance?

 

my religion says for me to kill every person whos name begins with an s

 

you also didnt answer the most important question that i asked

 

My middle name is not fool, therefore I know that your "most important" question merits no response other than, ho hum.

 

This is a gay forum. I doubt it will come as a great shock that many of us will be in favor of same-sex marriage. As a philosophical position, I oppose discrimination unless there is some really objective and provable reason for it. The burden should be on those who wish to discriminate to show that the discrimination is justified.

I haven't heard of any laws against thoughts. We can't always tell what a person is thinking, so penalizing a person for his or her thoughts doesn't seem practical.

I'm not clear about the difference between actions or behaviors in this question, but it is quite simple to point out actions that are against the law.

Somehow I get the odd feeling that the idea that we're going to get the argument that some behaviors are against the law, and that should justify a ban on same-sex marriage. As I see it, it doesn't follow.

 

Here is my opinion

The burden of proof falls on the people who want to have a new law. (PERIOD)

I am not talking about discrimination in any other way.

My opinion deals with marriage.

Marriage is a law in this country that some are trying to change.

One can not change a law without reason that the new law will be beneficial and will not bring harm.

If there is no proof that same-sex marriage will bring no harm (i.e. harm to children) and its only consequence would be to reduce discrimination than it should not become a right/law.

I am in no way saying that it does bring harm. I am saying there is no proof that it doesn't.

Please, I am not trying to offend. I am just trying to be educated. Tell me why I am wrong.

 

I strongly disagree with gay marriage. The last thing I want is my mom nagging me "when are you getting married?"

 

Don't be so suburbin let gays get married people you know are probably gay so don't be so facist

 

Since this whole thread is being posted full of males, Im gonna put my female opinion. The gay-marrage bill is suffering just like how womens equal rights or when black ppl had to fight for rights as well. Everyone is just trying to put ppl down and permitting from anyone to be happy. A question I would like to ask to all yall men or boys. Would you try to fight if it was a womens world, also black men and gay men cant have any equal right? Everything is changing and just because the marrage bill wiould have an addition to it does not mean it has completely changed. Why do gay ppl have to suffer for the stupidity and ignorance of heterasexuals. Just because we have a different sexual prefferance does not mean we are not normal ppl, we all have jobs, we got parents, we love someone or love to party. this whole thing is mostly fear of the men losing their women, or men hitting on them, same goes for the het women. Marrage is have 2 ppl who love each other stay together forever. Also for those who are scared to committe, you dont have to its a free country. Just because this country is ruled by shovanistic pigs does not mean we still dont have freedom as ppl. I think this country spends way too much time getting into ppls business then putting new books for public school, fixing up parks, doing things the smart way. I agree with Gay marrage because we are still ppl and we want equal rights just like all yall heterasexuals. I thought this country was against dicrimination and profiling of any kind.

 

No we are not different, just because of different sexual prefferrance does not mean we should be treaded differently. Some of us are women and some a black, so are you gonna discriminate on that fact. Im of hispanic heratige and even tho we had to fight for equality, we still get to be equal with yall ignorant ppl. Maybe it wasnt as popular as the equal rights for women and blacks. Does that mean hispanics are different as well. What you call different it just mean you dont understand. Maybe you should be quiet and learn a few things before you open your month and say something stupid. We are all ppl if you get down to it. Your just scared of change and dont understand.

 

wait a minute when exactly were you born yesterday, there were gays 10, 15 years, decades ago but you probably just didnt care to find out, obviously. And yes we were created equally, sexual preference has nothing to do with being treated differently. If someone treats a gay person different then thats discrimination and just plain out stupid. And why would u be soo stupid to think gay people act different, gay people dont act any differently, look different, or anything like that. Would you treat a 60 year old guy who in sleeping with a 17 year old girl any different ? No you wouldnt. straight people are no different than gay people, I can bet you that you could sit right next to gay people in a movie theater and you wouldnt even know they were gay, ur doctor could be gay and you would have no idea, why, cause they are regular people just like everyone else. It is soo sad to see how many ignorant people we still have in this world. Its selfish for straight people to have every right they want and gay people to have to fight for it, its just plain out ridiculous cause no ones different.

 

ANTIGAY PLEASE

i am trying to test an opinion that is A-moral
morals are not in question at all

my opinion is purely legal
please do not associate my point with that of antigay's

and you all as of yet have not responded to my point

i just want a response to my OPINION

thanks

 

I would say that gay marriage does not constitute a new law, but that the law allowing hetero marriage is discriminatory and should therefore be adapted to be non-discriminatory.

Personally, I do not wish to marry, but I think it should be allowed. In fact, it is allowed in my country. Rights to adopt are still waiting to be approved.

 

Do you not have to prove that it is just discriminatory and not harmful for the society for homo sexuals to get married.

Because is it true that if it was harmful for homosexuals to get married than it is not discrimination but a benefit for the society

in other words, to stop something that is harmful is a benefit not discrimination.

(thanks for responding lietchi, that was the first coherent response to my opion)

 

Of course it's not harmful. It would just be institionalising existing relationships, giving gays the rights to inherit, etc. like people in heterosexual marriages. I can imagine how one can give moral reasons to say it is harmful, but I can't see legal reasons...

The issue is complicated however in my country. We also have "cohabitation contracts" which are open to same sex relationships, which also give some inheritance rights etc. I'd have to look up what exactly the difference is with marriage...

 

I do not recall making this statement.
It does not appear to be something I said (might if in context).
The quote is attributed to me.
Please link to where you found this.

This would not be the first time you have mistakenly taken others words and attributed them to me.
I believe you are having a problem with reading comprehension and discerning what is part of a reply and what is part of a post.
Something along these lines.

 

Your logic is flawed from the off: no-one can prove a negative.

I'm curious: how can you argue that women and blacks aren't different? And more to the point: different from what?

 

I'm not sure of the legal framework for this, but I can't see how discrimination (which is fairly easily measured and largely objective) is linked to "harm to society" (which is entirely subjective and impossible to prove).

One could argue that it is harmful to society not to treat homosexuals as equals.

But I'm afraid this is all ethics, and thus I don't think it would wash in a court of law.

 

ok let me put it in better terms

the reason marriage was given legal status was to protect the family, or more specifically legal status is given to protect children and the continuation of humanity.

Children.

According to john locke the purpose of government is to stop people's freedoms from limiting the freedoms of others.

It seems to me that being raised by two of the same gender can greatly limit the freedoms of the children by harming them biologically.

So in order to stop parents from limiting the freedoms of their children we must limit the freedom of these parents to marry until we know that they will not limit the freedoms of their children.

I keep using the term limiting the freedoms as another word for harming.

Thanks for taking the time; self control u make a good point but your missing mine.