Gay tendencies

First of all , I just want to be clear that I Love the lord , and believe in him without a doubt , even though I dont call myself a Christian.

My question is , knowing that God created all of us , and knows everything about us , and how we will go through the lives he has given us , why did he create some of us gay ?
I honestly believe that some are BORN with this tendency , and that it isnt a choice.

All the church people I have asked claim that God does this as a test to see if those said people will remaine true to the moral laws laid down in the Bible , but that just doesnt seem fair.
Why is it ok for the Hetero people to find love and enjoy those things , but for those that are created different , following that train of thought , they would either have to re- train their whole way of thinking , or remaine celibate and without that kind of loving relationship ?

I would really be thankful for any insights into this question.


peace.

 

eace:

Erzebt - First of all - I too am a Christian - have been for 50 years. A Southern Baptist, a deacon - and over those 50 years I have learned a few things. Many people create sin in there minds to obscure the sin in their lives. If one can point long enough and shout loud enough no one will see who they are.

My perspective is this - Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality either way - for or against. The sin spoken of in the Bible comes in when debauchery is involved whether it be by gay or straight people.

The focus of Jesus was not what your sexuality is but rather your treatment of the poor, the afficted, the is enfranchised. Your treatement of them is reflective of how much you love Jesus.

Stay away from the finger pointers, pray for them and hope that Jesus changes there heart. Believers need to worry about their relationship to God and not someone elses.

God love you and forgives you just as much as any of his children. Is your homosexuality a sin? - No - Only if you are cold toward His children. Live your life as best you can and love even better. God IS love - and all love comes from God. Live your live as guilt free as possible - do no let others lay theirs on you --

Peace & Love - Dudley eace:

 

I don't know.

That isn't a cop-out answer; I think it is a truly agnostic, and proper, answer.

Why does God create people with severe mental and physical disabilities? Why did God create a whole bunch of stuff? We really don't and cannot know. Of this I am sure, homosexuality is natural; homosexual feelings is not a sin, just as feeling attraction heterosexually is not a sin. That is about all I am qualified to say as I do not claim to know what is in the bosom of the mind of the Lord.

 

Thank you , both of you , I personally always felt like God must love the gay's too seeing as how he is a loving and just God.
Its nice to know that not everyone , Christians as well as non- christians , dont all think that gay's will go to hell for who they happen to love.

 

As I understand it, the main difficulty comes in when defining "lust".

Some people - right, to my mind - believe that "lust" is sex without emotional attachment.

Others - who seem to be missing the point a bit - believe that non-reproductive sex constitutes lust.

The problem with the latter is, most straight sex isn't reproductive either, and there are plenty of parents out there who don't even like each other.

 

It funny...I wonder if people would have a problem with a gay couple having a celibate love affair ?

 

I've always believed that God created our souls...and the rest was left to chance and environmental influences

 

Probably. People who have a problem with gay people use religion to justify it. Those who don't, as a rule, don't feel the need. So I doubt that celibacy would make the stalwart anti-gayers any more accepting.

 

I wonder , how did sex itself become such a taboo ?

I grew up with a Baptist ,Pentacostal backround , and i remember hearing how sex before marriage was a HUGE sin.
It took me a long time to get past that and not feel guilty when I was trying to have my kids.
It was like , you need to do it to have children , but if you enjoy it your BAD !

And , if your with a same sex partner , it becomes something unspeakable.

 

I'll never figure that one out, to be honest. I live in a pretty much godless country, and if the church honestly thinks that people are going to descend into constant hedonistic sexual debauchery overnight if they don't ply them with fear and guilt, they don't know people very well.

 

Well I superficially blame a few people. St Paul and St AugustineSt has his great line that goes somewhat like "if you must have sex, please make it with your own wife" as if sex should be the very last thing we are thinking of.St Augustine was just messed up from his rabble-rousing youth and thought everything was bad.

I don't get why you need to "scare" people into not having sex before marriage. Let people now the virtues of waiting, but don't cast them into anthema if they fail, everyone fails at something. And then, if sex isn't a "bad" thing, but a special thing to be celebrated in marriage, then I don't think there'll be the same sort of hang-ups that people have.

BADD: I kinda agree to that. Our zygote decides our genetics, god decides our soul.

Hoatzin: I agree about the "anti-gayers". The really staunch ones will find a reason for it to be "wrong" no matter what. Today it is against God, tomorrow it is for the children, the next day it is because of terrorists...

 

WOW....I need to study up on those Saints ...now im interested in how their minds worked !

 

I was going to mention St Augustine. I think his beliefs became popular with the Church at just the right time to inexplicably gain currency. He's largely responsible for the notion of lust as covering just about any sexual act that isn't essential for reproduction. What frustrates me is that, while this ideology might seem foolish, it is at least possible for it to be upheld consistently, and yet those who follow on from it tend to be selective, choosing to invoke it only when it's a sex act they wouldn't do themselves. So oral sex (between a man and a woman, obv) is fine as long as you pretend you were thinking about impregnating a woman when you blew your load? Then you've got the old thorny issue of barrier contraception being wrong, but the rhythm method apparently being fine. This is by the public rather than the church, but it seems that the negative attitude towards homosexuals comes from individuals being selective in their interpretation of Christianity, rather than the religion itself.

Ultimately, the notion of lust as sex without feeling, and thus the permission of sex with feeling, regardless of its capacity for reproduction, seems to me far more in a positive spirit of the religion. It's not like one cannot commit lustful acts that just so happen to produce offspring, after all.

 

I mainly just think St Augustine is crazy for his unbaptized babies burn in hell and crying babies are sinning comments are ludicrous. I have not done too much study of him in depth.

St Francis, as I understand, would say that fellatio is horrible, because there is no chance of conception. I think this is from where the modern Church's stance on contraception comes. Natural Law: which is worse anal sex with your wife, or vaginal sex with our sister. I had a prof who argued that St Francis would say that the anal sex would be worse because even though the other is incest, procreation (Natural Law) trumps the other. Therefore the rhythm method is okay. Again, I have not really studied St Francis in depth.

In regards to the Saints' minds, most of them are weird. Same with the disciples who never seem to get anything right, even though Jesus falls just short o beating them over the head. St Catherine of Sienna was "married" to Christ in a vision and his foreskin was the wedding band.

 

Of course, in light of the Vatican's newfound and totally-not-shallow interest in voguish public concerns, you'd hope that procreation for procreation's sake would be slipping down the agenda. I mean, pretty much every bandwagon they're jumping on - opposition to global poverty, inequality, multi-national exploitation etc. - is at least helped along by overpopulation.

 

I had no idea how very strange the Saints thinking is; but this last one you mentioned, St. Catherine - Wouldn't she know that as a Jew that Christ was circumcised as a babe? Therefore, no wedding band.
(Sorry, just couldn't resist )

 

The answer given by Ddoright was actually beautiful, and I hope

 

The answer given by Ddoright was actually beautiful, and I so hope there are more church-going ppl that also feel this way. However, for the most part, (and unfortunately I think) "church people" are going to judge, condemn and come up with the old "its a test" chestnut.
I don't think it is Anyone's business to judge Anyone's sexual preference, though judging is what many so-called Christians spend a great deal of time on - and judging is something we are Warned against doing.
I have a gay family member (who is now married), and I believe that God loves him And his husband just as much as He loves me.

 

see....I live in a small town , and people talk...and i was scared rumors would get back to my bishop about me and my girl.
So...before he heard on his own and called me into his office , I made the appointment to see him and confess.
I was stripped of all church priveledges , and had to repent for a 6 month period , and all that was said in his office was supossed to be confidential.
I did my penance , and soon noticed that people that used to be nice to me in church no longer talked to me , and I was treated like I had the plague.
But I repented...right ?
and it was supossed to be just between the Bishop and God and me..so how did the whole church get in on it ?
Needless to say , it colored my opinion of that particular church , and its people , if God forgave me , then what was their problem.

I havent been back , but I still live around them , and they dont even say hello in the store's.

Also...the bishop wanted to know the girls name , even though she wasnt a member of his church....I refused to tell him , letting him know that he didnt need to know.....I hope God forgives me , but im still a little hurt by it , even though its been a few years since it happened , I honestly thought of that church as my extended family.

 

If that bishop is RC, spreading anything said during confession is an express ticket to excommunication. (in reference to wanting to know who the girl was)