giant hippie apology to vets

after reading the giant response to the spitting thread, i think it`s high time for this. please post on here only if you are sincere in caring that vets deserve better than that. i`ve had this idea for a few days now since one of the reasons i`ve lost a relationship was the hippie vs vets thing. even though sometimes i get sick of hippies bcuz this & other reasons, i`m not gonna stop being one. there`s room for both. & actually a hippie can also be a broad definition. many country folk are quite close to being hippies without being "official" about it. actually one of the reasons why we have a military in the first place is so we can be free. & one of our freedoms could be as 'hippies". although sometimes this is abused, to say the least. i don`t think freedom means that we`re supposed to look, live, think, spend, etc., alike. & many in the US want us to be that way "with the program" as it were. but some hippies are a burden on our system as some beg for change, etc.. now granted, some folks really do need cash for different reasons & that`s fine, but others abuse it. this isn`t excercising freedom. it`s only hiding behind it. this has been pointed out to me, so i`m passing it on.

 

I don't know any giant hippies. Why the putdown?

 

I'm still trying to figure out when our military "freed" us. Was it when we stopped Hitler from destroying Russia and unleashed Stalin the greatest threat to human life on the planet with the possible exception of Mao? Killing way more people than Hitler. The end result being years of cold war.
Perhaps it was when they fired on the students at Kent State?
I have no hatred of our vets. They've sacrificed dearly. They were simply wrong. I owe no apology.

 

here`s the thing, nowadays there are widely differing groups of hippies. some do`nt/ some do bathe. some long hair some short. take just these two things for instance. i think short hair & bathing don`t really make a hippie experience. one of the cheap ways hippies originally experienced how others felt was by long hair. this kinda made some white males identify w/ blacks & to a certain extent how women felt. people have forgotten this. & the non-bathing was in protest too. people have also forgotten about beatniks, & before that, the whole world of this was called bohemia. & it has been going on a long time. one of the reasons for piercing is that long hair isn`t enough shock value anymore. & another thing, hippies were never intended to necessarily be be uneducated. tune turn on drop out, doesn`t necessarily mean drop out of school. it means start your own school. & there`s nothing in the "handbook" which says drugs are supposed to taken all the time, or @ all. as long hair doesn`t make a hippie nowadays neither do drugs. we were supposed to have evolved beyond that. apparently we haven`t.

 

That's exactly what hippies were. Long hair druggies.

 

My uncle is a hippie who fought in 'Nam. He went there proudly and came back a stoner. I don't know what he saw but I respect his ability to cope with it.

 

Kin,
I hope you realize that you Are in a Hippie forum. But most of all, I do wish you would get your FACTS straight!!!

Hippies were/are not against the soldiers, they/we are against the establishment. Where the hell have you been.

The spitting thread is over 4 yrs old and has just recently been revived.

Your attitude against Hippies is just as Wrong as some misguided views on soldiers. What is the point of this thread?!? You were not there as a Hippie or a Soldier so how would you know anything but what you READ about it, you were still shittin' yella when it happened..

You think we hated the soldiers?!?, them soldiers were our Fathers, Brothers and Husbands. My husband was killed in Nam, my sisters BF came back without his leg. The Nam war affected us all, as the wars in the middle east affect us now.

We Hippie created the collaps of the economy by panhandling did we ?!? (morons, I'm surrounded by morons, BHA!!) Get a fricken clue. It was stock market traders who ruined our nation, not the Hippies, just the oppossit. It was consumerizum that brought us to our knees and overspending. Sending our jobs over seas, coddling the illegals and sucking or country dry, that has ruined our economy. The Blame lays with the GOVERNMENTand BIG BIZ'NESS not with the Hippies.

Ever hear of Wolves in Sheeps clothing???? Not everyone who had long hair was a HIPPIE, some worked for the MAN and were disguised as Hippies. They would be at the protest and Love-Ins just to start trouble and bring woe to the hippies. Light against the Darkness.

I wonder if any of the X generation knows what the hell their talking about. WAKE UP!!

sh

 

This seems a little off topic as the topic was about giant hippie saying we are sorry to Vets, but ok.

Altho, I do not feel a need to be sorry for anything I have done in my Hippiness to offend any Vet. I doubt if my long hair offended any Vet or any panhandling I did on Market Street, and I'm positive that not bathing caused major disturbances in the econmy, ya know the soap industry and all

Panhandling was/is against the law and you will go to jail if your caught, but even tho, how did that effect our economy, we spent it in the stores in the neighborhood and we made our own drugs and kept a lot of the $$ in the USA. We did get our HASH and COKE from the middle east and Amsterdam but it was no more then the straights with their imported products.

Back on Topic

I think, as I was there at the time and involved with it in many ways, being a widow of a Vet, being married to a DAV and being a Hippie from The Haight, that some of the gung-ho soldiers were also the ones that baited the hippie men, bc they did not fight in the war, they were either 4-F, Conscinous Objectors or they took off to Canada to dodge the draft. It pissed some of them off and they beat the shit outta a lot of hippies while they were on leave. Not all of them, just like not all of the hippies did this and that.

I wittenessed soldiers ganging up on peacefull hippies and beating them. Some even exploited hippie women for free 'sex' unable to comprehend the meaning of free LOVE.

You see, we are all the same inside us. Be we soldier, hippie, beatnic, or whatever. We all want peace and freedom, we all want homes and families and a way to sustain them.

We Hippies came to bring about change, we came to balance out the injustice and we did. It was the hippies that stopped the VN war and oblished Draft, bc the gov had taken away our right to choose if we wanted to sacrifice our lives or not esp a war that didn't involve us directly.

I think what it boils down to is, Would you fight for your rights, would you fight to protect your home and family. Hippies fight, they fight for freedom and justice, the same as any soldier.

Some of you ppl think all we did was sit around and stay fubared., you think we accomplished nothing.

Would anyone who is in the know like to elaberate as to what we did accomplish. I'm getting annoyed.

sh

 

Some of us only did drugs. Some of us stopped the war. Some of us went to war. Some of us created the pc. It was about personal freedoms and respecting the freedoms of others.

 

yes but spanging destroys all that. & so does way out of control SSI, which in my opinion, is the same thing, only hidden. there are no longer many public restrooms w/ hot water due in part to "hipppies" also, the drain stoppers were taken out due to "people" washing themselves & leaving a mess. & churches are no longer open due in part to this. i`m noticing these things because i do live outdoors & have done so for many years. i haven`t noticed a whole lotta people pointing these things out. there have laws passed cuz of public bathing & changing of clothes due in part to "hippies" leaving a mess. we can`t go in dumpsters now for the most part because of "hippies" leaving a mess & sue ing because they got hurt. because it was discovered to be a source of income. many churches no longer give out cash because of " hippies'. hell for that matter welform is partly cuz of "hippies" so was EBT. marijuana isn`t legal cuz of hippies.

 

wanna know why? cuz "hippies" have become too stoned to make a viable case for legalization.

 

You ARE MIS informed arent you. you have no idea what you are saying. Hippies were not the cause of MJ laws, they went into effect in the late 20s/early 30s. You really do need and education before you speak, you sound like an idiot. Nothing you have said has any merit and you are just trolling Hippies which is against the guidelines of this forum.

Your aim is off and your pistons are not firing, so you are fucked coming and going. Get a clue.

sh

 

As a veteran and a hippie I came into this thread expecting to have to set some young people straight. And all I find is someone of my own generation spreading embellishment and complete misinformation. A total disappointment...

 

You think hippies mis-use SSI, you think we are exclusive to using the government or social organizations or medical aid to help get through this life. As a former welfare mother and a recipient through my childs disability of SSI, food stamps and what ever else I could get my hands on to make a better life for my kids. I could not have steady employment, I had to care for an extreamly sick child. I was Forced to stay on State aid bc of the medicade to pay for my child doc visits, hospital stay, which where numerous and her perscriptions, bringing the total into 100,000s a yr.

I take personal offence to your glib statements. Taking out drains bc of hippies ..no help for the disadvantaged, what hogwash you sputter.. you do need medication.

Your confusing the homeless with Hippies, your confused period!!

 

The problem was that the press confused those who were out to abuse with hippies. That and the abusers made better press. Pot was made illegal due to the press.

 

Hug a Vet! or at least shake their hand and tell then you're glad to see that they are alive and that you are doing your part to bring them home. One of my closest and coolest hippie friends was a Nam Vet. He wuz a nut case but was one of the kindest people I've met,plus he could smoke and drink me under the table.

 

an apology amounts to the same thing as a hug. & i too have known combination hippie/vets. the problem w/ SSI is that many abuse it. did anyone know that hitler`s birthday is on 4/20? now ya know. ok here`s another one for ya. is defending pot plants to the death tantamount to peace & love? the next time you smoke someone may have died or killed for it.

 

i`m not expecting anyone to peacefully go along with these, i`m just trying to get people to think. anything can be abused, even peace & love. all these things i`m saying are things that have been thrown in my face while being a hippie. i did say if anyone will recall is that i`m not gonna stop being one. & i`ve held my tounge for a long time while hearing all this. like the fact that what you do if attacked? read the whole thing please w/o making judements. everyone has just a few things i`m saying & running with it. it`s quite about what i expected. i think deep down alot of people know SSI is abused if any research is done on it. & i`ver known several people who are down on the govt while getting SSI @ the same time, seems kinda hypocritical to me, & yes alot of things are. & to tell the truth we really haven`t changed much since the 20`s & 30`s. not deep down.

 

I have nothing to apoligize for. If you feel guilty you must have done something. As far as pot, grow your own.

 

You were never a hippie.