God lets people to go to hell

If God is so loving and cares about people, then why does he let them go to hell? Why can't he just prove his existance to the unsaved? Because he wants everyone to come to him willingly? If God would rather let someone go to hell than prove his existance, then how much does he really care about people? And what about God being able to do anything? Can't he just make it immposible to sin? How are people to even know that he exists? It's not that people reject him if they aren't sure of the existance of God. If they knew the truth, they would get saved, but it's too late then. By the time they find out, they're already dead and in hell. Seems like God cares more about seeing people discover his existance than actually saving them from hell.

 

I think its a lot more simple... God doesn't let people go to hell. There is no hell outside of the hell we put ourselves in.

 

God is beyond love and care, we created hell, and we can't prove "God" exterior because we are interior. In other words, it's like a dream attempting to prove the mind that created it. Quite a difficult task, until they realize that the mind IS the dream, and the dreams fabrications: Love, compassion, understanding, knowledge and science, cannot encompass the mind, but are encompassed by the mind's infinite imagination and beyond.

God is not apart from us, God is a part of our very being. Many become trapped in the colorful hues of creation and begin to think they are in some way, 'disconnected' with Divinity, but this is not so. This is never so. Every brush stroke, every mountain, every thought and emotion that ever was expressed or will be expressed cannot escape the divine.

Sin, Heaven and Hell are all creations of this imagination. They hold no ultimatum on you, there is no elusive metaphysical essence called "Sin" anymore than there is Holyness. The universe, the cosmos, the spiritual and physical realm are intertwined, beyond duality, beyond knowledge. God is not anymore a defined being than our consciousness is a defined image. Consciousness primordially is, we primordially are, and this is our greatest link to tap into and discover the God which is within and without, nowhere and everywhere, without image, but birthing images, without creator, but creating possibilities. This is, 'what is' in its suchness, the white canvas and the paints on which we dance.

The rest? Don't fall too far into your dreams. After a while, they may begin to take hold of you, and you may lose that artist's touch to pour forth that playful creativity of Spirit. Nevertheless, all is Spirit, all is Spirit, and Divinity will sing its eternal song.

 

um...are you kidding? i'm not religious, but i have a pretty good grasp of how its supposed to work. those who want to be saved do go to god willingly, and they dont need proof that he exists -- faith is enough. they choose to live a "good" life. why should the rewards of that life be given to just anyone?

That would pretty much make the ideas of heaven and hell completely useless.

its called faith, buddy.

Its not about God saving you, he supposedly wants you to save yourselves.

 

IMO if you are preoccupied with hell and if you idn't get the message.

 

Too damn right!

 

Or do we make our own heaven & or hell

 

the conditions that are experienced as hell like or heavin like are created by how people treat where they are, wherever that might be, whatever life or not life they might be in.

what ever any god or gods gives us or doesn't give us, what we do with it, i mean statisticly, 'collectively, makes how it becomes for us individualy to experience it.

i don't see how anything, even any god, can prevent that from happining.

unless it kept us all doped up and anesthecized all the time so that we couldn't, but then wouldn't that still be hell anyway? it would for me.

no, the only way any place can be heavin, in any life, whether nontangable or this one, is for everyone who lives there to not ever robb each other's calmness.

anything else is a hell, or at least a non-heavin

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I respect everyone's interpretations of Hell. Of course none of us know for sure. I for a long time believed in rebirth or reincarnation. It still makes a lot of sense to me on different levels. Although the concept of Hell is not something I totally take for granted.

I do not believe that it's some place most people are going. I do not believe God is going to send homosexuals to hell. I do not believe ANYBODY has the right to tell another person they are going to hell. I have a LOT of trouble believing if you're a good person and your belief system differs from mine you will be cast into a Lake of Fire.

That being said...I can't see unrepentent rapists, murderous leaders, and child abusers hanging out behind the pearly gates. LOL

 

Some would say there are no demons as well, yet back in 1973 I had a 6 month encounter with two of them. And it was a group of Christians who through the power of Christ was able to help me over come them. They hated Christ, and if they had their way I would be dead now. Yet Gods intervention saved me from that fate. Outside of their fear of Christ, they voiced their fear of a place called Hell. One of them screamed out and said, it would be beter to be destroyed than to burn in Hell. I was delievered from them in a small house in Crete Il. TRUE STORY.

 

huh? reread your bible. God doesn't "let" people go to hell, he sends them there.....

 

Here's a situation: one person tries to be good their whole life to try to get to heaven because they wern't told that good works can't get you into heaven. Another person gets saved, but turns away from God and does all kinds of bad things, even kills people. The first person would go to hell, but the second person would go to heaven, but if someone told the first person about the way to get to heaven, they would have accepted Christ. It seems like the first person if being punished for not being told the truth.

 

According to the christianity i know of, both would be going to hell.

however if that second person were to ask to be saved after he did all those things, then he'd go to heaven.

and i'm sure a good person like that wouldnt accept christ just because he was told about it. that's like saying to someone "the mario brothers are the saviors of all" and then having that person believe it without thought.

i wish christians wouldnt assume that non-christians dont know how to think.

 

This is all well and good for a personal experience, but remember that experience is created by the experiencer (To a degree) and what we see and what is revealed to us is based on our own conditioning. As far as the supernatural, the spiritual? Such things are beyond our beliefs, our religions, our insitutions, untainted by the world of ideas and thought, they are merely forces we cannot comprehend, and so we build stories around them. There is no questioning the experience, but the interpretation of it.

 

I've noticed that many times in personal as well as online interactions. Many Christians speak of God and spiritual subjects in a way that indicates that they automatically assume that non-Christians have never even given a thought to these and are totally ignorant.

It's amusing, irritating, and somewhat frightening.

 

Well, those individuals, like many others in countless situations, take an experience and claim it as their own, personally, culturally. By culturally I mean within an ethnic perspective, religious sect. They will tell you that they had an experience, which is believable, but then they will claim this experience as the only valid on (One that is within their ethnocentric community, ex: Christian, Catholic, Protestant, etc). Then, they attempt to convert, apply and expand this ethnic group and 'cleanse' all others. Yes, somewhat frightening.

 

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It's a stage we need to grow out of. From being little ego/cultural empires to becoming integrating parts of a whole; that being every aspect of the human experience.

 

It seems many 'Christians' are really pretty ignorant of the essence of Christ's teachings. They are very like the phariseses in the Bible. Obsessed with 'the letter', having no real connection with 'the spirit'.
They live in a tiny world and don't care to develop or evolve any further than their own blinkered and self-righteous notions.
It worries me that for many it is simply another ego trip, something which actually prevents them from making any spiritual progress. And they want everyone to be just like them - because that's the way the ego can tell itself how wonderful it is.
The tendency to bolster one's own position by condemming others is a common psychological ploy.

 

Exact case in point, from another thread:

So, JDFU, according to your logic: if a person has a personal spiritual revelation and finds substantiation for it in a scripture other than the Bible, it must necessarily be false.

I swore I wasn't going to get into these discussions again!!!ARRRGH!

 

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