Guns and Nazi Teabaggers

I talk to a lot of different kinds of people in my everyday life, and I like to feel them out. I'll make a remark or reference about something going on in the news that day, and 9 times out of 10 it leads into the kinds of things that video was mentioning on their initiation. I realize it's skewed in comparison to a place like San Fran, because I live in the south. But I also think where I live is far more representative of much of the country, rather than well known liberal pockets being representative. The people are fed up Odon, and you can't call so many people pissed about the same things paranoid.

Yes we care about gun crime. All I have been saying is that gun control will not reduce gun violence. If anything it will make it worse. The culture of violence and all the alienation needs to be addressed if we want to reduce violence.

 

Well, you're definitely right about that! I really just get angry at those people who attack me without even reading a full post of mine, (like this kid,) he's attacking me over my sig, and trying to defend Obama. That's the other thing, there are so many people here who act like Obama is fucking JESUS! They always got to show and audience member crying for Obama and all this other crap, and it's like you said; Obama supporters are straight up brainwashed!!!

But I'm over it! Maybe after another 4 years, when our debt has officially doubled and tripled since Bush, maybe THEN these damn democrats/liberals will see that Obama hasn't "changed" SHIT!!!

 

Totally fed up!!!

 

Well, if you post the Wiki article I can see for myself.
I don't think you plucked it from thin air - I just think you might have misinterpreted what you read.

Yes I did but I think it was deleted.
I said 33 people were shot by police between 1995 - 2010.
A little more research:
54 since 1990:

http://inquest.gn.apc.org/website/statistics/deaths-in-police-custody/police-shootings

I also said approx 40-50 people are shot every year and not by the police.

So you keep telling me. I know.

Happier, yes.

Yeah, sure there is still gun crime - not on the scale of the US.
...and while looking for your '40%' figure:

Police winning battle against inner city gun crime
Firearms offences are 40 per cent down in less than a decade, figures will show

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...tle-against-inner-city-gun-crime-8463957.html

The police in the UK and US need to crack down on gun crime - no doubt.
Seems it is easier here.

You can't squat in Parliament square, no. Protest or not.
There were restrictions due to 'peace camps' but they have been repealed.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/2834/article/2/made

We don't use dollars.
Trillions?
I think It works out to approx 68p a year - per person.
I wonder how much the president and his family costs the average tax payer a year?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html
(You can Bash Obama with this one if you like - but it suspect it's been the case for decades)

Do you mean the subway? I'm not 100% sure about that.
You can snap away quite happily at a train station.

Photography
You can take photographs at stations provided you do not sell them. However, you are not allowed to take photographs of security related equipment, such as CCTV cameras.

Flash photography on platforms is not allowed at any time. It can distract train drivers & train despatch staff and so is potentially very dangerous.

Tripod legs must be kept away from platform edges and behind the yellow lines. On busy stations, you may not be allowed to use a tripod because it could be a dangerous obstruction to passengers.
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/777.aspx#photography

I imagine it is the same all over the world.

I'd try and turn opinions into facts, if I were you

I actually knew there was an element of truth to them, I wanted to see how you would spin the stories - that's all.

I remember that one.
You mean one crazy lady gets her gun taken from her after waving it around for a while?

So that's a 'no' then?

Well, stop dragging the UK into your argument then, bro

 

I know. I imagine StpLSD25, Siq and yourself (for e.g) share similar feelings and reasons for carrying a gun - but StpLSD25 isn't quite as reasonable as you two are. I was only talking about HIM.
If you are feeding your brain with videos like that - it's bound to warp your opinions, imho

Who is this 'we'?
You can't think I think all gun owners think the same way to the same degree about everything
I have been reading and responding to YOUR thoughts about gun crime.
I can't remember doing the same with StpLSD25.
With StpLSD25 it always seems to be about Obama/Liberals/Tyrannical government/The constitution.

 

All I'm saying is that gun control doesn't work. Criminals. It only slightly reduces murder (1.7 percent, which really may be normal fluxuation)

But also, let's not forget the Second Amendment of the Constitution; Not only would crime barely go down, my guess is that crime would actually go UP. Cause many citizens I have spoken with refuseto turn in their guns and say they will fight for the Constitution! Even police and military have come forth saying that they will disobey any unconstitutional orders to disarm the citizenry!

www.Oathkeepers.org

 

It's funny cause I feel like I'm completely and utterly reasonable. You're knocking on me for a video I watched, and barely remember! It didn't change my opinion, I just watched a couple mins and liked it!

But it's good to consider things that I do. (Tyranny, Obama and, the Constitution.) Because this is the reality of America today! Certainly, it didn't start with Obama, or even Bush for that matter; but our country is headed in the wrong direction, and unconstitional laws is a BIG part of the problem.

 

It can work. Perhaps not in America.

How could we

Joe Biden said something like: Put your A15's down and go buy a shot gun.
Does that sound like a government trying to take all your guns away?
I imagine where it says 'arms' it doesn't mean any darn arms you like.
The lunacy seems to be the interpretation of a right to bare arms.
You've decided it's anything you like, including sniper rifles, and others have chosen not to take it so far.

IMho, the truth is, if you actually calmed down and recognised you can have a gun if you want one, and nobody is going to take ALL of your guns away - you'd have nothing to do with your spare time.
It's a hobby, imho.

 

Apparently, yes

It doesn't mean negative as in "bad" it simply means that the statements therein are posed in such a way that they state what you can't do instead of specifying what you can do, such as discriminate against someone because of their skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Many of our rights are posed this way because it simply doesn't make sense to create a gargantuan and potentially endless list of all the things we are entitled to do. Get it yet?

Your assumptions about people and what's in their minds are quite strange, my friend. I don't actually have a problem with people owning guns, I just think there should be a requirement of greater than a double digit IQ...perhaps a reading comprehension test or something...maybe anger management classes.

 

I guess the video(s) might have just pandered to you own opinions/prejudices.
It's only when you are throwing unsubstantiated opinions around and attempting to convey them as facts.
It does feel like you think a good tactic is to wave your hands in the air wildly, and shout at the top of you lungs.
I do remember when every other post wasn't claiming everybody that disagreed with you was a liberal Obama lover - ever think you might have just got your 'facts' wrong?
You seemed a lot more calm a while ago.

 

I'm worried about more than disarmament. Shooting is a hobby. However, my concern over government has been deeply imbedded in me since I was young.

My whole life I have been lied to by cops, and my constitutional Rights were violated. (Before I read/understood the Constitution.) But once I learned the Constitution, and the wider States Constitutions, I realized that it actually does protect us from an over bearing government!

Which is why politically, there's nothing I hold in higher esteem. Everybody has an idea of what role government should play in peoples lives, this is how I see it (Completely opinion)

Republicans want the government to be the policemen of the world.

Democrats/Liberals want the government to take care of the general welfare of everyone.

Libertarians like me, believe government should protect life, liberty and, property and that's about it.

However, it seems to me that when Democrats and Republicans get their way, it chips in to all these things government is supposed to protect.

For example, Republicans want war, which causes instability, tensions from the middle east and, sometimes drafts. This certainly effects everyone, and many Americans are weary of war! It also cuts in to our Liberty, with the passing of such Bills like the Patriot Act, The NDAA and, CISPA, which was passed under the guise of "fighting terror."

Liberals believe in cradle to grave welfare, which allows the government to pick and choose winners and losers, with other peoples money. Therefore, the government isn't protecting our property, but instead stealing it.

So after years and years of being and feeling neglected by government, I concluded that government isn't the solution (as most Liberals believe,) but in fact, the problem.

The only check and balance system for the Federal Government and congress IS the Constitution. That brings me to Barrack Obama, the reason I dislike Obama so much, is BECAUSE of his distaste for the Constitution!

 

Our gun crime is down by 40% also. And that 'crazy lady' was in her own home, she has the right to display whatever the fuck she wants. She also wasn't waving it around. She was holding it. In an awkward way I'll add, but her finger was far from the trigger. That fucking fascist PIG assaulted an old upset lady in her own home.

 

You talking about me, sonny-boy? I'm not a kid. Indeed, I'm more than twice your age. What's more, I wasn't defending any particular policy the current president supports or attacking you. I was hoping to correct your misunderstanding of his statement about negative rights. For the record, it does seem to be you who is attacking and calling people who disagree with you, stupid and shouting (that's what all caps typing is on the interwebz) at them. I've met a lot of people in my lifetime. Probably way more than you have and what I've found is that stupid knows no political, national, racial, sexual or other boundaries. There are stupid conservatives, stupid liberals and stupid apolitical types. Nobody has a monopoly on that. One of the telltale signs of stupidity is the inability to recognize ones own ignorance and a failure to regularly question the veracity of ones own knowledge.

eta: I've responded to your question and explained what is meant by "negative rights" in an above post in case you missed it.

 

Odon I used to be a Liberal, so yes, I realized my ideas were wrong!

I used to think we could just "take a little more from the rich," and fix everything!

You know what happened? I got a job, and realized that 20% of my money was going to the government. I started paying more attention, and I realized our money gets spent foolishly!

What "facts" are you talking about anyway?

I am calm, although, I feel like I'm constantly getting attack here!

And no, I don't think a good tactic is "waving my hands around wildly!"

I am all about conversing, which is why I do attempt to speak with people here regarding my opinion. I just feel like people here insult me, state no facts at all, and oppose my opinion by essentially dissing on me.

I don't think I said the government would try to take away ALL guns, but you don't fully understand what I was saying about the world government either.

You guys just don't understand me. I think you all assume that I'm always attacking you, when honestly, I feel like you guys are always attacking me!

A lot of Americans believe Civil Unrest, Martial Law and, even disarmament are coming to America! I'm not so gung ho about all that stuff; However, I look at holding weapons to be means of protection.

 

STP - despite what you seem to believe, you're pretty much the most hostile person on this site. You scream and shout at everyone and accuse them of seeing Obama as a black Jesus, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of people on this site don't seem to support him at all - they just don't agree with you either.

 

E.g '40%' 'HR347' 'The UK in general' and perhaps add 'Negative liberties'.

Metaphorically speaking, as in swearing and calling people names etc
Read back your posts and notice you keep saying that you think Obama is after your Second Amendment rights, and is close to declaring martial law etc etc.
The way you are talking America will be in a state of revolution in two weeks.
I think people have been talking like you for about 235 years.

Read back your comments. You have been pretty insulting yourself - and to people that have not been to you (me for e.g).

Hey, are you sure you want to be talking about stating facts?

You've said he is coming after your guns.
If you have a rifle and a handgun - what more do you want?
We all know baring arms to protect yourself from government is just a token gesture, anyway.

Didn't you say Obama was in control of the UN or head of the UN department of defence?

Yeah, right.

 

You're just talking out of your ass! You don't know if the majority agrees with me or disagrees with me. (Neither do I) But the people who love to hear themselves talk, do vocally disagree with me! (That's not NEAR the majority of people here!)

And I'm not hostile! And People are hostile toward me, do treat Obama like he's a black Jesus!

Why don't you read the other topics where people have said Obama's done nothing wrong in 4 years, and the only reason people don't like him, is cause they're RACIST!

There's plenty of people here who talk like that, and they are Liberals who think Obama can do nothing wrong!

You give me a Neg rep EVERY CHANCE YOU GET! And I'm the hostile one?

Despite what you'd like to believe, you're just a fucking asshole who likes to hear himself talk!!

 

I was RIGHT about HR347, I don't give a fuck what you and some kid said after reading the title of the bill!!! It restricts protests around secret service not just the fucking white house!! I'm so sick of fucking repeating myself! Learn to fucking read! I quoted that 40% from some place else so STFU about it!!! I'm not wrong about the UK cause you guys dont give a fuck about freedom!

 

deviate
To be fair, I've only seen less than one minute of the lady, and that was edited.
I was exaggerating a little.

 

You're just making his point....

We've all seen the threads you're talking about.... they consist of others saying that they don't want a republican president, like mitt romney or RON PAUL, the republican.... and they point out all the people who hate obama but liked bush, which is pretty much a sure sign of racism.... no, that does not amount to obama being black jesus, or disliking obama being a racist thing. A great many of us think obama is literally a traitor to the people of the US, and has attacked many facets of the freedom of everyone on this planet.... but still think he's better than the opposition. He's the.... yep, "lesser of two evils".

We disagree with you because you turn "obama's a bad guy" into "obama's a NWO plant to run the world with the illuminati and UN and take your guns so you can't fight the government and tax you and be black and blah blah blah".

I'm fine with talking about how obama has done some very dangerous legal things, that could lead to very dire consequences a few presidents down the line. But I'm not okay with paranoid hyperbole that discredits all the serious issues we need to talk about.