Have we evolved so much that we are now going backwards?

So has our evolution to live longer, have life easier ect really worked out for us?


I know there was a point that some changes were likely needed but have we taken it too far?

We used to have to work very hard to survive, work to an early death some would say but now we seem to have done so much that we have become in need of work to survive. Heart failure, circulation disorders ect from lack of work (exercise people) has made us need to take time to exercise instead of us just having work that we would naturally exercise at doing.

We pay others to mow the yard, chop wood, build, basically to do phyical labor so that we instead can pay another place to "workout"

We have taken maodern medicine to a degree that simple things that were not so harmful have morphed and become deadly to those not immuned to it yet (infants ect) Now they wish to give shots yet again to immune infants to it so what is the next morph going to be?

So have we just gone too far with change?

 

Evolution can't go backwards.. there is no 'right' way for us to evolve.. it's just like time.. it never stops, it's a necessity.

 

YUP indeed we have in my humble opinion...

 

actually i read this scary book that said evolution CAN reach a speed of going backwards. I do tend to agree.

Nods...

 

what does going backwards even mean? it doesn't make sense.

 

we've gone too far in making people comfortable. there is no struggle for survival anymore. used to be the weak and dumb would get weeded out naturally, simply because they could not fend for themselvese, thus ever-enhancing the gene pool.

modern day society cuddles its masses. there's no real struggle to live, there's no vital reason to stay fit and healthy, modern day medicine lets you live on 20-30 years after you, by all rights, should have been dead, and people who would have been "victims" of natural selection 200 years ago are allowed to live on and procreate.

living on 'till you're 105, with an oxygen mask, a cocktail of 12 pills a day for all the conditions you've accumulated in your lifetime, overweight and sedentary because your bones and muscles are too frail for you to actually use them, is a slap in mother nature's face.

 

ُEvolution cant go backwards or forwards...It adapts to the changing environment thats all.
And it must be controlled in the case of viruses and diseases.

 

I like the fact that society has changed so much that we can sit on our asses all day and pay other people to do shit for us.. it makes life less stressful.. and personally i still like to get out.. and excersise. But if some people want to be lazy fat asses then good for them.

 

This we you're talking about only counts for a relative small percentage of all people.

 

we stopped natural evolution and began a unnatural one with the discovery of fire
with the discovery of fire we began eatting foods we were never meant to eat, we no longer had to be toughened against the cold
from there things only got worse
we weakened ourselves more and more replacing muscle with tools to make strength less important
moving forward in time we find the intelect evolving quickly as the body weakens
with the advent of medicines we learn to prolong life artificialy but weaken ourselves from natural longevity
in nature, immunity to diseases and other deadly things comes from long periods of exposure to those elements..we've removed ourselves from that evolutionary process by using artificial means to halt the process of developing immunities

what do we gain by drinking the bottled water with the fewest impurities? we become less and less able to drink most of the water on earth

we've weakened ourselves so much by stressing the impiortance of the intelect that the very dirt we walk on can kill us if we get a little scratch
humans have massive egos that tell us because we have this big brain this brain will solve all our problems, instead its caused many many more
we've invented a few thousand products designed to reduce the number of bacteria we're exposed to by 99% then everytime the 1% gets by instead of allowing our immunity system to do its job we toss a pill in our mouths to do the job for us
we've worn clothes and hid from the environment and elements in boxes so long that the weather, the sun the heat the cold all have become potentialy deadly to us

and thats without even concidering how in ourf infinite brilience we chose to make that environment even more deadly

wasnt enough to just weaken ourselves to the point that we cant live outdoors without cklothes, no, we had to have our little boxes the same temkperature all year round
so what if that makes the air and water toxic, our massive brains will find a way around brathing and drinking before we all die

progress marches on so convinced we are and always will be the dominant species meanwhile making ourselves so weak the simplest single cell organisms become our greattest enemies

we used to be able to survive the harshest environments completely naked..from glaciers to desserts
now everytime the poiwer goes out during a relatively mild heatwake or cold spell..someone dies

i'm not 100% sure we've doomed ourselves completely but we sure have taken a wrong turn a very very long time ago
and our massive egos make us think we're moving in the right direction with each advancement in technolofgy that only pushes us further away from a natural evolutionary path

 

Protip: we are nature

there is no un-natural way to evolve.. anything we do is natural

there is no right and wrong food to eat.. human creation is an amazing thing.. from the earth around us we have created restaurants with great food.. even restaurants with bad food.. but it's all natural.

Just as a birds nest is an animal made thing.. but still natural, everything man made is natural.. it's all from mother earth... and nothing we create can be deemed 'wrong' or not how we are supposed to live... because there is no wrong and right in nature.. we are nature.

 

one step forward
two steps back
over and over and over
moving forward
stepping back
but, moving forward,
forever and ever.

 

gotta love complex systems

 

you mean
algorithm?

 

no

 

how do you figure that?
we seek to conqueer nature
we hide from it
we destroy it

eatting at mcdonnalds everyday is natural?
using chemicals to replace our natural immunity systems natural?

why is human cancer rates skyrocketting while animals remain unchanged? (animals not tampered with by humans that is)
that is about the most idiotic statement..
nothing we create can be deammed wrong? didnt we create nuclear weapons? didnt we create the concept of genocide?
there is no right or wrong in nature, true, but, we seased to be natural when we began to attemot to control natures afects on us
if we lived in the sun instead of shade last many thousand years (and didnt destroy the ozone at same time) then the sun wouldnt be harmful today

the planet we live on is our natural home, its weather and environment is natural for us to live with
so why is it we are no longer naturaly able to live here without roofs and walls and power and chemicals and additives in the food and water
why can we no longer drink from a stream or river directly?
why do we even concider going to mcdonalds fir foodto be more natural then going to a fruit tree?


do you realy beliueve your statement or is that just the massive human ego trying to convince you the importance of your big ol brain...we can make mcdonalds so thats what we should do...we're so smart..we cant do anything wrong because we got the bigger brain
use that brain to think a minute
has that big ol braijn never gotten u in trouble before?

if you chop the head off the body, can the brain cause a new body to grow?
it cant\
but by relying so much on the brain to replace the bodies functions (immunity protection from the elements whatever) weve weakened ourselves immencely

which person would be stronger physivcaly and more able to survive under varius conditions
the one who all his life to eat wold walk miles and miles for a handful of berries
or the 1 whod sit on his ass and wait for pounds of fatty crap to be piled on the table in front of him

i guess if its natural to drive everywhere we go
then the feet we were born with
will become as useless as the apendix?

by your logic our natural evolution will lead us to evol,ve into cyborgs
and when that happens will you still be so sure thats oyr natural evolution?

 

It seems you are the one who thinks we are important with our human brains.

I'm saying that we ARE nature... we can't get away from it... everything we do is mixed in with everything around us.

We are not special.. we are just as natural as anything else.. there is no difference between us and animals.. we have just evolved down another path.. we have become more advanced than other animals.. and therefore build more advanced homes and lives.

Nature IS destrcution and creation. Nature doesn't mean 'peace' or 'healthy living'... nature is, WHAT IS.

Nothing has been pulled out of thin air. Everything we have today is composed of atoms taken from the earth at sometime or other.

A burger is only made of things from the universe.. just like a plant is.. it might be more harmful to us.. but it's still nature..

You seem to think that some man made things are not nature.. such as fat people doing nothing all day and eating crappy food.. they are nature in themselves.. that is how things become extinct.. extinction is natural... hence fat people eat themselves to death.

If we launched hundreds of nuclear missiles and blew up half the world right now it would still be nature.. and there is no God to determine what is natural and what isn't..

Theres no point in living without houses and unfiltered water.. because we have the ability to create more comfortable living conditions.. so why not? Nature doesn't mean 'to stay the same' nature is as time is.

 

Evolution has no direction, so the OP question makes no sense.