no offense, but bush is right on this one. Kerry and edwards have systematically dumped on all of our allies in this war. Attack bush all you want, dont attack people who have troops helping us.
This is a presidential election. Kerry is trying to win the presidency. He should attack Bush's crappy coalition. We were told we would have help from a grand colalition. Bush lied. Kerry has a right to attack him for that, and point it out to the people of the US. He hasn't said anything bad about the soldiers other countries have there, he is just pointing out to the US that this coalition bush promised us is nothing more than a half-assed coalition that was put together ASAP so Bush could rush off to war. Kerry is pointing out that we don't have the support we needed for this war. And that the coalition barely exists.
that site is funny George bush is a dumbass.. i remember watching the debates when the "You forgot poland" thing was going down... i was thinking inside my head... "Is he a fucking retard? Has he no sense of memory?" than i corrected myself, knowing that he is in fact a fucking retard you know what's funny other than the fact george bush forgot poland was a part of the coalition much later... the fact that poland has 13-or-so troops in iraq. John kerrys point was that we need to have stronger alliances with foreign countries before we start go ing to war with others.. the fact that we ignored the un's suggestions, made our ties in europe and across the world extremely weak... bush's coalition of the willing was nothing but shit.
he called them the coalition of the bribed and the coerced. That is for leaders who took great risks helping us. You, Kerry, and whoever else shits on those countries have absolutely ZERO tact.
Cry me a river. You are such a good spin doctor you should go work for the Bush campaign. Re-read my post. I didn't shit on any country. I shit on Bush and his administration.
he called them a coalition of the bribed and the coerced, you dont think thats bad!? How about the fact that he made reference to only britain and eventually australia. What constitutes a grand coalition, france adn germany? There is no excuse for calling our allies anything, kerry owes them all an apology.
Bush should be the one apologizing...the war is supposed to be over, yet troops are dying daily. That is by far the funniest site I've seen in a long time.
Here is what you said: You accused me of shitting on other countries. I never did anything of the sort. What spin next from you? Are you going to bring up the "global test?" What constitutes a grand coalition? Well a coalition where over 90% of the cost and military casualties not our own.
Again you called it a crappy alliance, thats not shitting on our allies? Nice spin, you forgot to respond to just about everything in my previous post..let me repost it.. "he called them a coalition of the bribed and the coerced, you dont think thats bad!? How about the fact that he made reference to only britain and eventually australia. What constitutes a grand coalition, france adn germany? There is no excuse for calling our allies anything, kerry owes them all an apology." the only way you get to 90% with either figures is if you remove iraq from the coalition, interestingly enough, kerry doesnt think they are doing any fighting. In gulf war 1, we took 78% of the casualties, that seems like an acceptable number to you? What is an acceptable number to you? what the hell are you talking about with the global test, what does that have to do with anything, please, keep stick to topic.
Iraq is not part of our coalition. We invaded them. We can't force people into our coalition. Why talk about the gulf war? This is about the current war and Bush's coalition. We were promised a grand coalition. Ours is far from a grand coalition. It is a crappy coalition. We barely have any allies. And that is not shitting on the countries helping us, the most are doing what they can. And I don't have to respond to everything in your post. Me not responding to everything in your post is not a "spin" And I don't support Kerry, so I don't care what you or the rest of the voters think about him. I was just trying to say that it is not wrong of him to point out how weak a coalition we have, and that it was far from what Bush promised us. Getting dizzy yet, megera?
Really, thats interesting, so iraqis arent fighting on our side? Interesting, INTERESTING, do you watch the news? I merely brought in our casualties from the gulf war. We suffered 78%, is this an acceptable number since 90% isnt? We barely have any allies? I believe we have 30+...we had 34 in the first gulf war...who is missing? most notably france, germany, and canada...do those 3 countries turn us from a 'crappy coalition' into a 'grand coalition?' This has nothing to do with him pointing our we have a weak coalition, this is him shitting on our allies. DO YOU AGREE THAT IT WAS RIGHT FOR HIM TO CALL THEM A COALITION OF THE BRIBED AND COERCED? answer that, PLEASE, stop dodging. yes, i do get dizzy from watching people spin, so for my benefit, stop, please. oh i had one other question, do you honestly think we could have gotten france and germany to send troops to get rid of saddam hussein?
Let us remember too that this coalition which Bush and co spin so glowingly is little more than a coalition of coerced government leaders whose own populations overwhelmingly rejected the invasion of Iraq and stood in solidarity with the anti-war protestors prior to our illegal invasion. Spin it all you like, but the nations listed did not stand with us nor did they send any significant military personnel (apart from our lapdog the UK). Most of the governments in question, in fact, have subsequently fallen in their own general elections for their refusal to serve their own people's wishes in the matter over that of Washington's.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030320-11.html there is a list of hte countries...tonga?? You cant make accusations without providing facts.
Megera, I have done no spinning here. If you have examples you can quote me and post them (like I did of you) instead of just saying that I am spinning. And not answering a question of yours is not a spin... I think that Kerry is speaking the truth when he says it is a coalition of the coerced and bribed. It doesn't matter if it pisses anyone off. The truth sometimes hurts. Its obvious these countries don't want to be involved. And I mean the country not just the leaders...Their people protested the war right along with us. They are now pulling out left and right. To quote Lickerish: The republican spin on it, though, is that Kerry is some horrible person for trying bringing this to light. They want to take notice away from the fact that this IS a coalition of the coerced and bribed. That these countries don't really want to be involved.
name who was bribed and coerced, and prove it. edit: i know some people here dont know what 'convictions' are, but some people actually have them and will do what they believe is right.