Healthcare repeal

so there is a petition to repeal the healthcare bill!

http://www.repealhealthcareact.com/mike-huckabee.aspx

figured it would be worth posting, incase some people hadn't heard about it yet.

here is why i'm against government healthcare:

1 - it doesn't work. if you look at countries in europe with governmental healthcare you will see that their healthcare privision is terrible over there. in england sometimes people have to wait months for healthcare that they need immediately!

2 - it's totally against our countries' standards of a free-market economy. if the government starts intervening in our healthcare, then it sets a precedent for them to establish business within our economy. who knows what that could lead to.

 

haha, free-market that's a good one.

 

a good one, as in, the government places economic regulations which it has no business making?

 

As in, that ideal is already hopelessly lost forever. Healthcare wasn't the death-knell of it.

 

well, i'm not saying that this is the death-knell, but it is a massive step that moves from mere economic regulation and support of business within the economy, to actually creating business within the economy.

 

Haha, this is a good one too, you obviously have no clue how health care in Europe works otherwise you'd know Britain with it's NHS type system is the exception while most European countries use a private system that's heavily regulated and subsidized. Yet you'll notice in most European nations there main concern is on how to cut costs and decrease waiting times, they feel no need to have to do something drastic to their systems to save their country for ruin.

The top 40 countries in terms of health care ranked by the WHO
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic


Also a graph, the size of the circle indicates frequency of visits to a GP. Maybe waiting lists are irelevant when a large percentage of your population has no practical access to preventive care.


It's asinine to defend a system that obviously doesn't work. The health care bill was a terribly flawed one, but it's better than sitting on our asses pretending American exceptionalism will somehow make it all fine.

 

now you do what they told ya!

 

Hell, the Republicans instated a new pay as you go system in the house but excluded a lot of the biggest problems of the deficit, including extending the Bush tax cuts from having the new rules apply. One thing also that doesn't have the rules apply is repeal of the Health care bill due to the fact the CBO has said it will save over $120 billion over the next 10 years vs it not being in place.

 

People seem to love Medicare, a big government health care program. And I totally agree with TheMadcapSyd - anyone who thinks our system is better than the socialist ones have been brainwashed by the Republicans.

 

The entire debate on health care was turned into a twisted story of how the US was going to turn into something like the NHS in Britain despite the fact one the public option didn't even make it past the house and was supposed to have an income cap on it, and more importantly the fact the NHS is the exception compared to most European/other western nations.

 

Rage against the machine!!!! (even if it isn't in our best interest!) *sigh*

 

And here's why you don't understand governmental healthcare: Because if you want, you can pay to get anything done any time you want, and if you can't afford it, it's better than NEVER having anyting done and dieing!

 

actually, i lived in england, for eight years. the healthcare sucks.

how do you even know that this is going to be good for healthcare anyway? there are so many implications of the government intervening in healthcare it's insane. there is no competition and thus no incentive to improvement within the system. with government competition real insurance companies are going to face different customer bases. also, with a standard of medical coverage there is going to be less of a monetary drive behind medical advancements.

having an idestructible force within the medical field is just bad news.

 

With standards.... there will be no drive to take peoples money for things like that cervical cancer vaccine, because you could make better money actually curing diseases.

Yep... Bring on the standards:2thumbsup:

 

healthcare IS an inherently complicated issue. gets people riled up.
when you think logically about what would be nice, i think everyone would like it if they didnt have to worry about going to a doctor, paying for medications, having a place to live, a little spending money, a full belly, etc, the issue arises in how you can provide those things without infringing out our freedoms and rights. the biggest thing i disagree with on the healthcare bill is being forced to buy it. i do not believe that is right. however, no one has created a better plan. i think that a compromise could be found. i think having care covered would be worth a little extra money out of a paycheck. we would all feel better paying for a system that works, and i think all legislation should benefit everyone in some way. i think the government should start a nest egg, and when they reach a savings cap, rebate it to the people. then recoveries would be paid for, refilling the coffers would be spread out to everyone, and we would have a little spending money as a nation, to invest in trains and make them competitive, to rebuild roads, to do R&D on efficient technologies, and when those technologies are fully developed, have the money in the coffers to subsidize them for the nation. the energy savings would be remarkable. if you could get a solar panel for half the cost, and have people install it for you, if you could jump in and say i want wind power too, and have a real system done, wouldnt you do it?

maybe its a flawed idealistic view, but i see no reason the government cannot do these things, and make these changes. they should set aside their personal convictions and do what really helps the country, and they should be willing to listen to people with intelligent opinions, and not be afraid of logic and truth. vote for me

 

I'm amazed that with the internet there is this much false information out there-I guess we have to thank Fox News, the super-rich, and The Tea Party.

Simple answers to your questions-

1-Medicare. Which is basically what the original plan was until the Health Care Insurers, Hospitals, and Drug Companies got control of the plan.

2-Free Market Economy? The only time we have a free-market economy is when the owners of that economic sector need it to be free.

Please educate yourself and stop being a pawn to the super-rich.

 

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I live in the US, I have no health care. As well as 40 million other people, along with another 30 million who's health plan is so bad they might as well not have one. For a system that's supposedly so bad the UK has a higher life expectancy, more GP visits on average, and has a private system that most people don't feel the need to take part in.

People from outside the US, would you ever give up your national health care schemes, be it a system like the NHS in Britain, or private-public systems like in Germany?

We are the only, the only, developed nation where being sick comes with the risk of financial ruin, as well as the possibility of absolutely no treatment until it becomes an ER case. All this while spending substantially more than most nations.

Because few things can be worse than the current system we have in place? We spend far more than any other first world nation on health care, yet a huge part of our population is uninsured of underinsured. No one is saying our system isn't broken, even the Republicans while opposing the bill have no problem saying our health care system is entirely broken and in need of changes, and the irony is before they became part of dun du dun! Barack Hussein Obama's plan, a lot of what made it into the health care bill had been supported by Republicans just a few years earlier.

Seriously when both sides of the political aisle are saying your country's health care system is entirely broken, your country's health care system might in fact be entirely broken.

The irony is the electric system is most states is more regulated than health care. Any rise in electric prices comes under heavy state scrutiny normally even for 5-10% rises, and in winter in cold states electric companies can't drop you(unlike insurance providers) no matter how far behind you are.

Meanwhile somewhere, blue cross or whatever it may be is trying to raise premiums by 40%.

 

i like how most people's defense as to why there should be healthcare is that i don't know what i'm talking about and i'm a pawn.

umm.. it doesn't take a genius to figure out how many problems there are with having governmental healthcare. infact it's pretty damn obvious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_-QGNUYL5g"]YouTube - Rage Against The Machine-Bullet in your head

so if our current healthcare is broken then why establish an even more broken system? i'm sure there are things that could be done aside from instating universal healthcare. even if we could have a good healthcare bill, this one was rushed, at best, to be able to be passed when democrats had majority control.

 

Said with the exception of England.