in a conversation today an anology was used that best describes some of the frustration that couple beginning an eco-village/commune... it was in reference to a childrens story from the mind of mother goose. anyways it goes something like this..... a hen is trying to make a loaf and breads and struggles all day with the preparations all the while enlisting the help from her friends and to be denied.... the day passes and once the bread has been removed from the ovenall of the people who denied her aid is trying to partake of the meal(no pun intended)! well i attribute this analogy to all of the people that want me to succeed so they then will have some where to try... i get messages saying" let me know when u get things together and i would love to join a community with those ideals" well not that anyone is not welcome at anytime... however it makes one feel.... i can't even begin to express it.... synonymous with the needing of help from interested people is attributed to the hen needing help..... why is this? is human nature so far gone that a risk on oneself is even to far fetched? i mean human nature itself is scary enough that you are not volunteering for the zendik army or pledging allegance to anti-meat nazis, and with this revelation i understand the caution... but to me... to avoid these things would it not be better to be a founder than a member... if you feel a certain way then why is commitment so hard... you are only committing to yourself.... is not a greater prison to be a slave to that in which you despise? hows does the daydreamer justify the not doing? why is it safer to steal a glance in a dream than it is to be the catalyst of making your dreams come true? i think we (like-minded) think of the masses as confused or still sleeping... would that not be a better existence than actually knowing there is something really wrong with the heart and soul of man(collectively)? should we instead then dream of returning to such a blissful ignorance in stead of torturing ourselves with the fantasy of a better life but in return not having the structure of character to committ ourselves? i get a wee-bit frustrated when i think someone is saying to me" go ahead and pave the road, we will be happy to follow once the work is done.... why follow then? would it not be better to have the freedom to explore your own dreams than it would be accept apart of someone else?even if it coincides with yours? for those of you who have shown interst in getting this thing started... i want to say thank you and i appreciate the support and commitment.... i was just wondering if someone could answer these questions for me as i dont know what it feels like to wish and not do.... imagine where the world woulf be if franklin,adams and hancock only dreamed about seperation from england? we would probably be a continent of popous asses and backwoodsmans, serveant living by another leave and the social class still in place.... dreams can be powerful if one has the desire to go beyond dreaming!
Heya Will, If you've been followingthis forum for any length of time you see this same frustration echoed again and again. So much so that often those that would do don't because of it. And that's too bad - even if we end up just doing it for ourselves and maybe selling the fruit of our labors to go do it again somewhere else - at least we will be following up on our dreams - and after all they are our dreams - so it IS up to us to follow up - we're not doing it just so others will join in _ if that is their dream and they are willing to commit to it fine and dandy BUT Even as you noted -seems to be a lack offollow up - no wonder we got global warming with all the hot air LOL Don't give up - do it for yourself if no one else -the experience is worth it and makes you better able to handle whatever may come - those who sit back on the sofa will only perish when the TV goes out and the no longer have "reality" shows to watch You ever get up this way stop by and see our dream that's slowly unfolding - had to get more equipment than I wanted - but sometimes the proper tools make it so not as many hands are needed - and when people are lacking.... Keep your dream alive - Walk the talk - Be the being you want to Be !
amen old wold and will... we have the same frustrations here as well... the thought of life like we would like is an awesome thought for most,,, but then they realize or stop n think bout the what ifs n whys n the worry of them packin up n movin on,,, it will work guyz luv nlite dilli
Ya, I kinda never expected to find anyone with the drive to join in on my vision. It really is hard to get people over there mistrusting skeptisizm and I really don't blame them, we're all raised by society to be skeptical because we are deceived so much. It just sucks Remember man if you wanna work together with me just drop a line anytime. It's just me and my buddy Brandon working on it right now. I worked out a pretty good plan I think if your intrested its on that four year post, yet actually its only gonna be two years. I'm only extremely solid about that one clause on there about the no authority over other people thing, I think thats an important fundamental in creating a new haven for true freedom.
at the same time i think we that our work can provide a paradigm bridge for those with high aspirations and low possibility of accomplishing it by themselves.
i know that here we not only offer folks room n board in exchange for a couple hours work ,, but we also have odd jobs that we either cant do or aint got time to do that we are willing to pay folks for and for the most part it still hasnt gone all too well,,, we have had a few that have been willing to do and boy can they do but so many come saying they are willing to do yet once here they tend to sit n do nothing then expect a handout,,, and that isn't what we are about ,,, altho we do not ever let anyone leave empty handed or empty pocketed,,, cuz we aint about that either.... i do feel tho that with time and as we grow that more will flow through and be ready to do what they say they are willing to do ,,, cant lose hope or faith in folks that quickly ... in the mean time we just plug away at what we are doin and do what we can do on our own and keep our own dreams n wishes in check as well..
all of what has been said is true... and for sure i have not given up faith in my fellow man however in a conversation last nite with a rainbow family member... she said to me that basically people dont want an unstructured enviornment their interpretation of freedom is simply to be brave enough to do what others will not... but tell them they they can believe and worship as they wish and that alone scares them more than anything else... when i asked why.... after pondering the question for a long long long while ... finally she replied "if something goes wrong we need someone to blame!" talk about being blown away... i never even giving consideration to a scape goat! wow im missin out on alot of view points... blame who?? and for what?? i guess it works the same as like with the zendik post... some are true followers and believers and others with different expectations are not... do we condem the one that stay cuz they have found a happiness maybe un explainable to us but a happiness of here own as well?nahh we dont, i dont , i wish then fullfillment in any of their endeavors.... bright side... i have an extremely materialistic friend , and she called me the other day complaining about the price of bar soap!!! i gave her a recipe for scented homemande soap and would you believe it the crazy ass girl called me back wanting to know if this was the basis of a self sufficient existence? i said duh yeah! and now would you believe i can't get her to shut up about it!!!! sometimes it only takes something so simple as animal fat and boiling water to make one see that there are different ways to live... some may not be so bad if given the chance...well thats it for my success stories..... but anyways erowild i agree about not having a GOVERNING body or person, and secondly i would love to collaborate with you and yogi about a combined effort heres my email address gezium@aol.com
blame shifting is a luverly thing,,, NOT,,, i guess that is one of my issues with folks in general,,, rainbow or otherwise,,, rather than face up to things themselves and live their lives and learn from their experiences they would much rather blame shift so as to not take responsibility for their lives,,, and to relieve oneself of responsibility and decision making makes one ,, a VICTIM! and unfortunately that is just what many people want is to be a victim so they dont have to take responsibility and make decisions for themselves
good to hear it willpower. I'll get to ya shortly on that email. I just wanted to say yogi said it pretty well. I hope that when we do actually get something started we may help those with the aspiration in the right place. It would bring my life great fullfilment to turn a few good folk's aspirations to reality, and to help fight the overwhelming comlexities of a society to obcessed by weakness, kinda goin back to the whole admitting fault thing, which was a great point. Well may great things come man, Ill get to ya at that email in probably not to long _________________________________________________________________ They who can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin Make no laws whatever concerning speech, and speech will be free; so soon as you make a declaration on paper that speech shall be free, you will have a hundred lawyers proving that "freedom does not mean abuse, nor liberty license"; and they will define and define freedom out of existence. --Voltarine de Cleyre
In clear eyes we find our truths - they look up to us with endless curiosity...... If we have been subtly encouraged to forget ourselves how will we know to recognize our own dreams. ...Welcome to earth population One. Please feel free to postpone enlightment for a tomorrow that may never come. Aweful Bleak! Brother we need your guidance. If you have the gift, tune it and be blessed you can lead a few down the righteous path. I've thought very often that it would be easier to be blissful in ignorance by the way.
and with red eyes we might sit back in blissful ignorance as we watch a sun set and the wind blow across our green land, as one should only be able to do. I myself care not for intellegence I don't want to know the complexies of every situation around me. I care only for enlightenment, and the ability to see the root of all things and not confuse myself with the superficial. Ignorance is often exploited by contriving minds, and in this way ignorance catalyze the polarization of society, to blame are not the ignorant though, they do not have a responsibility to know all things of the world around them, they should be able to have a simple sort of trust in the way of things, to blame I feel are only the contriving minds taken by ambition to exploit there fellow man. Sometimes I hate all that I know it is true, It all fills me with so much spite and vigilance which I must suppress for another day well I go to work tedious jobs for companies I hate with little more than hope left in my heart. ___________________________________________________________________ I have never belonged wholeheartedly to country or State, to my circle of friends or even to my own family... Such isolation is sometimes bitter, but I do not regret being cut off from the understanding and sympathy of other men. I lose something by it,to be sure, but I am compensated for it in being rendered independent of the customs, opinions and prejudices of others, and am not tempted to rest my peace of mind upon such shifting foundations. --Albert Einstein
I think many people just aren't sure about that kind of life, and need a good example set before they follow suit. You also have to face it, there are leaders and their are followers on every venture. Personally, I think I would like to stay at a commune for a couple of weeks before I decided if that sort of life is for me. My experiences in communal living up to this point have not been positive. I always end up feeling used.
Yes there are always leaders, yet the only truelygood leader is one you couldn't pick out from the followers. The established members are going to have to be helping new folks establish, and for that I would hope to keep spare rooms on hand for expansion oppurtonity. The point Im getting at is leader's need not be anything other than naturally manifest, and certainly should have no defined authority. ____________________________________________________________________ Make no laws whatever concerning speech, and speech will be free; so soon as you make a declaration on paper that speech shall be free, you will have a hundred lawyers proving that "freedom does not mean abuse, nor liberty license"; and they will define and define freedom out of existence. --Voltarine de Cleyre
in this we see eye to eye... to lead by appointment and to lead by involvement is 2 seperate entities.....
Some may say ignorance is bliss; better not to know, than to know that we must better what we See. That this garden paradise was lost when we grew to desiring what was above our stations. We are no longer the bird flying free or the flower blossoming - more like the butterfly before. Coming to what is up to us - but cannot be done without the pain of Knowing and Growing. Knowing just what has been sacrificed. In the drive to Be consciousness, we must come to feel the depths as well as the heights. And what we choose IS ours - as ever it was and ever will be. And that is unfortunately laden with sad as well as bright choices. That which you choose to live as your life - no one can take from you - nor can they make it for you - the choice was AllWays yours Grow on Blessing Be with all
