Help With Nutrients

Hey guys, I was just wondering what kind of nutrients you would recommend for an outdoor grow, I am not sure on my soil mix yet but I was looking for some kind of pre-prepared nutrients that I can buy in stores, thanks for your help

 

Organic soil composition involves creating a soil medium that has a balanced amount of nutrients - NPK as well as trace elements and minerals - plus organic material that provides food for not only the plant, but also the countless soil microorganisms, fungi, worms, and bacteria that comprise a healthy soil. This soil life breaks down the raw materials of the fertilizers you add so the plants can absorb them, and also plays a part in as-yet undefined processes that aid plant growth and improve soil health.
Below are various "recipes" for both organic fertilizers and organic soil mixes.

Mix and match formulas
Pick one source from each category. The results will vary in composition from 1-2-1 to 4-6-3, but any mixture will provide a balanced supply of nutrients that will be steadily available to plants and encourage soil microorganisms.

Nitrogen 2 parts blood meal
3 parts fish meal

Phosporous 3 parts bone meal
6 parts rock phosphate or colloidal phosphate

Potassium 1 part kelp meal
6 parts greensand

. [SIZE=-1]source: Rodale Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]
[/SIZE] . More Organic Fertilizer Mixes
2 - 3.5 - 2.5
1 part bone meal
3 parts alfalfa hay
2 parts greensand
2 - 4 - 2
4 parts coffee grounds
1 part bone meal
1 part wood ashes
2 - 4 - 2
1 part leather dust
1 part bone meal
3 parts granite dust
2 - 8 - 2
3 parts greensand
2 parts seaweed
1 part dried blood
2 parts phosphate rock
2 - 13 - 2.5
1 part cottonseed meal
2 parts phosphate rock
2 parts seaweed
3.5 - 5.5 - 3.5
2 parts cottonseed meal
1 part colloidal phosphate
2 parts granite dust
2.5 - 6 - 5
1 part dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
4 parts wood ashes
0 - 5 - 4
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts greensand
2 parts wood ashes
3 - 6 - 3
1 part leather dust
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts seaweed
3 - 7 - 5
1 part dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts wood ashes
3 - 8 - 5
1 part leather dust
1 part phosphate rock
1 part fish scrap
4 parts wood ashes
2.5 - 2.5 - 4
3 parts granite dust
1 part dried blood
1 part bone meal
5 parts seaweed
4 - 5 - 4
2 parts dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
4 parts wood ashes
6 - 8 - 3
2 parts fish scrap
2 parts dried blood
1 part cottonseed meal
1 part wood ashes
1 part phosphate rock
1 part granite dust

 

The Nutrients:

Nitrogen - Plants need lots of N during vegging, but it's easy to overdo it. Added too much? Flush the soil with plain water. Soluble nitrogen (especially nitrate) is the form that's the most quickly available to the roots, while insoluble N (like urea) first needs to be broken down by microbes in the soil before the roots can absorb it. Avoid excessive ammonium nitrogen, which can interfere with other nutrients. Too much N delays flowering. Plants should be allowed to become N-deficient late in flowering for best flavor.

Magnesium - Mg-deficiency is pretty common since marijuana uses lots of it and many fertilizers don't have enough of it. Mg-deficiency is easily fixed with ¼ teaspoon/gallon of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water) or foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart. When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil for Mg. Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.

Potassium - Too much sodium (Na) displaces K, causing a K deficiency. Sources of high salinity are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate "pH-up"), too much manure, and the use of water-softening filters (which should not be used). If the problem is Na, flush the soil. K can get locked up from too much Ca or ammonium nitrogen, and possibly cold weather.

Phosphorous - Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Red petioles and stems are a normal, genetic characteristic for many varieties, plus it can also be a co-symptom of N, K, and Mg-deficiencies, so red stems are not a foolproof sign of P-deficiency. Too much P can lead to iron deficiency.

Iron - Fe is unavailable to plants when the pH of the water or soil is too high. If deficient, lower the pH to about 6.5 (for rockwool, about 5.7), and check that you're not adding too much P, which can lock up Fe. Use iron that's chelated for maximum availability. Read your fertilizer's ingredients - chelated iron might read something like "iron EDTA". To much Fe without adding enough P can cause a P-deficiency.

Manganese - Mn gets locked out when the pH is too high, and when there's too much iron. Use chelated Mn.

Zinc - Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients-lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc.



-Hope some of that helps.

 

Thanks alot for all your help guys, I saw Fox Farm nutrients, there organic stuff any good? This is my first outdoor grow so I want to try and be simple, Thanks again

 

Ya Fox Farm is great. Are you growing in the ground or in containers?

 

I havn't decided on that either, any recommendations? I am planning on having an autoflower patch and a regular patch,

Thanks,
staples29

 

id just dig good size holes.........say 2ft x 2ft x 2ft, line the holes with thick black plastic garbage bags and backfill the holes with some fox farm ocean forest (<-- that could be pricey so maybe cut the ocean forest with some coco or something similar.....promix maybe) And i personally use fox farms Peace of Mind All Purpose 5-5-5 dry fert.....that would be a great addition to the soil mix..........maybe alittle of their Peace of Mind bat guano as well................if you need any additional nutes you can add it to the water you'll be watering with.

 

Alright thanks alot man, Do you have a simple soil mix that you recommend me using, and I am planning on a crop of 25-30 plants, I dont want to use nutes on all of them, but I was wondering what size bottle you would recommend me buying from Fox farms?

 

Foxfarm soils are already mixed hreat for the beginners. FF nutes have the mixing directions on the bottles, start with the 1 gal. sized, should last months.

Don't think I'd use plastic to line holes, too restricting, I'd suggest ground clothe it let's the water drain and roots grow through it for better growth.

I've noticed most new gardeners wouldn't understand all that nute detail above, stick with FF and ya shouldn't go wrong!>)

As far as cost if yer gonna start with25 plants don't wuss out on nutes, after you've had a few successful harvests most of s see what extra or excentric nutes we might like to try.>)

 

Alright man thanks alot, Where is the cheapest place I can pick up some fox farms nutes (online) and as for soil, What type should I get or what types to mix and would the soil be at canadian tire or some kind of gardening centre? And my last question is should I add any dry ingredients to th soil mix?

Cheers,

 

only reason i advise using a plastic liner is for moisture retention and/or if the surrounding soil is shit............otherwise you can just dig holes and backfill without the liners.

 

Good point Man. I'd poke a couple of holes in th' bottom to allow for drainage though.

Which brings up a whole can of worms, so to speak!>) Now I haven't been payin mch attention lately has any of our outdoor growers mentioned what soil mixes would be good for what exsisting soils? Say for solid clay one might dig the hole deeper so that drain rock might help keep the roots from soaking in a puddle of water at the bottom, and at the other extreem the plastic idea to retain a bit of the water content, just a thought:>)

As to where to get them online, Google Fox Farm, go to their web site and search local dealers, or there's sites like Hydrofarm; General hydroponics; etc.

As to cost.......as the saying goes cheap in cheap out. One might find any number of products for growing at Walmart, Ace hardware, or any other of this type of store, Mkes me dizzy just walking down the aisles of the local grower supply shops=>0

I've had luck with FF, so I stand by them. In Nor California a gal. runs $40+ for one part of the two part solution, and the ocean forest is $12 - $20+ a bag$$$$.>\

The general agreement is stay away from Mirical Grow as it has a tendancy to burn the plants, maybe because new gardeners have tendancy to over feed, but that could said for any high quality nute.

 

Alright, So would you recommend me getting a gallon of each of the 2 part solution? Do you got a name on it? And as for ocean forest, I found a place in town earlier that sells it, $14.98 a bag CAN.

I have heard ALOT of terrible things about miracle gro and I shall be staying away from it

Thanks alot

 

While the babies are growing; 1-Big Bloom and 1-Big Grow. BB is used throughout entire grow, it has the basic foodstuffs (Bat guano, and worm castings) etc. BG is vitmins and supliments used during early growth.

When they begin flowering their needs changes; BB and Tiger Bloom. BB again for basic food, TB for supps. needed for flowering plants.

Follw the directions on the bottles, and watch their growth for hunger and overfed symtoms. The amounts and quantity may need to be regulated as needed.

Hey FF you owe me a royalty:>D

 

top soil, vermiculite, perlite, lava stone.. feed with hyponex 15-30-15 http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/fert2.asp?ID=5111 and water.. This is all I use now..

if something isnt broken, then you dont have to fix it...

 

hahaha wouldn't that be nice tho?

 

Yeah lmao they do owe ya ahaha there milking me for a couple hundred probably lmao, But thanks alot for the help man,

 

Yer welcome! I know a pro who uses a 2 part product called Blue Moon which is a bit cheaper, The point is quality in quality out.

Ori; the only reason I recomend using FF Ocean forest to new growers is, it's hard enough to get the nutes right so ya don't burn or starve the babies without wondering if somehow ya got the mix wrong. Since OF has all the right stuff in it, there's one less thing to worry about.>)

 

yeah i love FF OF it works great! I especially like it with their POM 5-5-5 dry fert mixed in and then just use the big bloom to encourage the myco's from the POM! I will continue using this recipe for my moms, it works wonders to grow some bushy moms!

For flowering tho im switching up styles.........i really like soil and all but im finding myself getting bored with it..........so why not try a new way to grow right? Will be growing in straight chunky perlite in 3gal containers. Will be using GH Flora Micro HW, Flora Bloom, and the occasional GH liquid Kool Bloom............oh yeah, and bubbled tap water ...........should be interesting.

 

Sounds interesting, Maniac, I used perlite as a substrate once worked fine to keep roots from standing in water by wicking away the excess water. 'think there's a thread here somewhere about it.