Horus and Jesus

have a look at this, its amazing!

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

enjoy.

merry yule.


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yeah, when religious texts are read and analyzed as literature it reveals alot. there are many examples of religious stories that have been passed down generation to generation as oral traditions long before they were ever committed to written texts. they morph somewhat over time and space as people travel, migrate, marry into new tribes, translate into new languages, etc. it is relatively recent in human history that these stories have been written down.

 

The reason why there's so much similarity is because Christians took the old ways and just simply gave their new characters new names.

 

I personally think that it is wrong to take things from paganism, cover it with a new cloak and then condem paganism.

Biting the hand that feeds.

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Wow, I had no idea. I have trouble stopping believing some of the shit I was fed and this helped alot.

 

Have you see the Zeitgeist movie? It shows that are are many other figures that seem to have parallels with Jesus, inluding the virgin birth, the resurrection, being called the son of god, born on december 25th, having 12 followers, being called the king of kings or the light of the world, etc. All thousnads of years before Jesus.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

 

I read once that Jesus Christ comes from Esus Krishna, the name they put together at the Nicean council.

 

wow, great thread! All very true and very interesting.

 

thanks bloodynailpolish , love your pic!

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If one were Christian, one would say that God told the story with the stars as he said stars were for signs and seasons.
If one were a skeptic to religion, one would say both religions worship the stars.
If one were an an astrologer, one would say "DUH!"
I find this very humorous but wouldn't dare show any Christians I know unless I really wanted to see a closed-minded person explode with anger.

 

Don't believe everything you read. The name Jesus (Yeshua) was a common Hebrew name in the Second Temple period, and a late form of the name Joshua. Christos is Greek for "annointed one" (Messiah). Jesus, the savior figure of Christianity, is recorded in scads of writings long before the Nicean Council, starting with writings of Paul, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Gospels, all in the first and early second centuries.

 

A lot of those claims of similarity have bitten the dust under scholarly scrutiny (R. Nash, The Gospels and the Greeks), much like the Horus one. For example, the Buddha's alleged virgin birth when his mother, already married and not really a virgin at the time, was impregnated though her rib cage by a white elephant (ouch!)while she slept. Was that virgin birth or rape by elephant? The claims that miracles of the Christian religion were stolen from other religions got their start in Frazer's The Golden Bough in 1890, followed by scads of others. Those books, in turn, became a target for historians (and Christians), with the scholarly tide lately running against Frazer, Massey,et al., with the important exception of T.N.D. Mettinger, The Riddle of Resurrection.

Much of the argument has to do with who stole what from whom first, and what counts as virgin birth, walking on water, resurrection,etc. When Osiris was cut into pieces by Seth and restored to animation by Isis, was that resurrection? Scholars who say No point out that after the experience Osiris stayed in the land of the dead to become judge of the dead, unlike Jesus, who returned to earth for a brief reappearance before going to heaven to judge the living and the dead. Is that a significant difference? The Sun God Mithra was originally said to have been born from a rock, but later legends gave him virgin birth. The earliest records of these later legends are from the mid-second century A.D., raising the possibility that Mithraism stole the idea from Christians. The followers of Attis ripped everybody off, especially Mithra, down to his characteristic shepherd's cap.

There's also the possibility of different cultures coming to similar results independently. Some of the legends about Toltec-Aztec-Maya gods involve themes of sacrifice and renewal. Quetzalcoatl resurrected the human race by shedding his blood (not all of it). Xipe Totec (god of agriculture) gave his skin to sustain humanity. Every spring the priests would wrap themselves in the flayed skins of captives. The skins would dry and burst, symbolizing ribirth of humanity and nature. Nobody thinks there was any contact between the Meso-Americans and Christians at the time. These patterns reflect basic cycles of nature or may be, as Jung thought, part of our collective unconscious. As for December 25, Christians admit that they have no idea when Jesus was born. December 25 was sacred in several religions, notably the cults of Mithras and Sol Invinctus, and the Christians adopted it.

 

Maybe Horus and Jesus are the same person.

Many would say that people share the same overall life as one another, of course there would be parallels.

Example: http://www.amazon.com/Hero-Thousand-Faces-Commemorative-Bollingen/dp/0691119244/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208150701&sr=8-1

Different people, living out the same story of life - Life itself is like a story.

Jesus' story can simply be a regurgitation of past hero stories - Yes - but it can also be that A) Could be the same person or B) Two different people living out the same journey, but with a slight different premise or not.

This doesn't prove that Jesus' story was false or true - Lives often do parallel to each other, and that truth keeps Jesus' story in-tact.

In the end, it's very interesting, but it doesn't exactly prove much of anything other than their being a parallel.

 

But many of the "parallels" brought out in the zeitgeist film are fabrications or stretching the truth. For example, the allegation that the Egyptian god Horus had twelve disciples appears to be based on a picture of twelve reapers on a mural near a depiction of Horus with no other connection between them. Horus' mother was Isis, not Isus-Meri, and his birthday was in October or November, not December 25 (We don't know when Jesus was born). Horus was not crucified between two thieves, he was dismembered. etc., etc. What about this is similar to Jesus?

 

The zeitgeist movie was very motivating and enlightening in some ways, but without later finding out that most of what is said is assumed and fabricated.

You're right; it doesn't appear to be connected... although, maybe the overall idea of it is?

 

Al Pacino was raised by his grandmother

I was raised by my grandmother

Al Pacino grew up in the bronx

I grew up in the bronx

Therefore, Al Pacino and I are the same person.

Maybe if we were some kind of conjoint spirit beings, we could be the same person, but it doesn't prove 100% that I am. If I looked hard enough, I could probably find someone out there with a life that parallels with mine.

 

There may be logical reasons for the similarites, but do you not find it hard to believe in something that does seem to adopt alot of things from other religions? As this is the case how can you say that Jesus is the only one who actually is the son of god, or the right one to follow? Just because it was written in some book? It may be that the story of jesus was copied and adapted from stories/ faiths in history? All seems a bit to coincidental to me.

 

amun ra ptah is the oldest trinity of egypt and all other trinitys are related- amun is the hidden aspect of god=the father - ra is jesus christ - ptah is horus who is the reincarnation of ra and creator of the universe - in the hymns of amun verse 32 says all the gods are three amun ,ra and ptah,and there are none other like unto them-he whose name is hidden is amun ,ra belongeth to him as his face,and the body is ptah-
i became from god one gods three - actually the christian trinity is wrong because they put holy spirit in the place of the reincarnation of ra who is horus - hetep

 

As I said, the "coincidences" are often exaggerated by writers seeking to make the point you do by manufacturing or stretching the evidence. In some cases, pagans seem to have borrowed from Christians. And some parallels may reflect common human needs and situations. I take a lot of the particulars in the Bible as historical-metaphorical, reflecting the needs and aspirations of a people at a particular point in time. Christianity was a response to a pagan domination system known as the Roman empire. Although I'd encounter quite a lot of resistance from Christian apologetics buffs, I also believe that it merged, conmsciously or unconsciously, some traditional Hebrew beliefs and traditions with pagan Greco-Roman and Persian-Mesopotamian ones that were pervasive in the Roman empire at the time. The resulting synthesis produced a belief system that had a competitive advantage over its pagan and Jewish rivals. I don't recall saying that Jesus is the only son of god or "the" right one to follow. He's th one I'm betting on, and I follow him because of his teachings and personal example. By the way, have you recently had a lapse in faith? You used to be one of the most devoted defenders of Christianity in these forums.

 

I meant how can people in general say that jesus is the one and only person to follow when christianity appears to be a mix of everything - same with most religions.

I think that christianity is just another story. As for the lapse in faith - Long story! Don't want to bore you with it!