How can anyone doubt the NWO is the end goal when..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/11/us-gmo-pigs-study-idUSBRE95A14K20130611


http://www.euronews.com/2012/09/20/gmo-rat-lab-gets-serious/

this is the nasty effects of gmo's

 

Pardon?

I would not say 'liberals' - I would say reasonable people.
You are purposely characterising Paul Ehrlich, John Holdren and Anne Ehrlich work as some form of manifesto - with out even bothering to quote anything that would directly point to something they personally advocated - have you even read it in it's entirety? (or atleast the chapters in question)?

You spend endless amounts of time decrying the United Nations then post something from them - which I'm sure in your mind isn't hypocritical at all.
And what does it say?
Does it say governments are adding arsenic to the water supply? No.
So what relevance does a chart highlighting elevated naturally deposits of flourids and arsenic in water supplies actually prove? Nothing.
It's forced because you know none of these things are related - but choose to pretend they are.
If you are grabbing information from WHO - it proves how desperate you have become.
It's forced because you know it's BS.

The people that I have read misrepresenting this are pro-lifers and religious nuts... which one are you?

'There is a labeling law in Japan, but there are loopholes.'
Well, why don't you do some research?

MAY 2013
The agency has received two citizen petitions regarding FDA’s regulation of GE foods. These petitions request that FDA change its position on the labeling of such foods (from voluntary to mandatory). The agency is currently reviewing those petitions and considering the issues presented...

Just eat organic for now

 

They openly admit they add fluoride and arsenic to our water. Everyone should know that, I shouldn't have to prove it, it's common knowledge. I showed the graph to show how fluoride causes skeletal problems. We're nieve to assume somehow we're avoiding these damaging effects because we "Don't get enough of it." no one know effects on a small scale either, the government is willing to risk our lives, like Lab Rats, finding out.

Plus, my issue with the UN is the fact that they still use force, despite their lies, and still, it is elites running the show. It's the same thing with CNN and FOX- they're both owned by elites, but I examine things, on many different news sources, I can't write them off totally, because American media is limited to a few government-controlled companies.

 

Who do? (not WHO) Who openly admits to adding arsenic to to 'our' water?
Flouride, yes - to managed levels.
You posted something from WHO who said small levels (of fluoride) is beneficial.

If they know the levels where skeletal issues occur, then they have a good idea when levels don't, surely.

What about your main point: the work of Paul Ehrlich, John Holdren and Anne Ehrlich ?

 

There was a few word you and "meagain" managed to take out of the sentence (paraphrazing) "the book talks about adding contaminants to the drinking water,John Holdren said 'this would never be accepted,' but in the meantime they're actually doing this."

I'm saying there is evidence to believe the government is using ideas in the book, as well as others, to trim the population.

Everytime one turns on the TV, they hear of bad drugs which cause other illnesses and death. None of this is conspiracy, it's common sense.

You two, in the end are government sympathizers. It is Exceptionalism like this that made the Nazi's believe they were fighting for a good cause. They cause death to hundreds of thousands of children worldwide, yet, you somehow believe our safety is their #1 concern. They are out for optimum profits and a "sustainable society" which they can manipulte. IE get cheap work from Africa, sell it top dollar in America and Europe. This is no kind of "New World Order" it's really the Old World Order with a fresh coat of paint!

 

I have never grasped the logic of these theories.
Sure the worlds population is getting a bit much, but seriously, covert plans and crap?
The biggest fail in all this silliness is the whole "immunizations are really population control" idiocy.
Seems to me that the fastest, most direct route to curb population growth would be to NOT hand out immunizations or just give people a placebo instead, then good ole' mother nature would take over and cull the population the old fashioned way.

We don't need all these lame-assed conspiracies and crap, all they really need to do is withhold immunizations and healthcare around the globe.
Population numbers are a direct result of advances in medicine, so remove healthcare and the rest takes care of itself.

Oh Fuck It!
Just release smallpox back into the wild and wait for the corpses to rot.:2thumbsup:

 

StpLSD25

Well, you think fluoride is a contaminant (regardless of the amount) - but you ignore that it naturally occurs, also countries remove it where it is at a higher level. And it's only added in a fraction of the world.
How is this an attempt to poison us all/reduce the population?
Where are they adding arsenic to the water?

What and where?

So, it's not something the books authors are advocating, it's just some of the points raised are being implemented?
How convenient.
Is that an admission you can't find anything in the book where any of them are actually advocating such measures?
Like I said, you haven't bothered to add anything from the book that points to it being a personal manifesto.

The only thing I can find regarding his recent thinking regarding 'population control' is not denying women abortions.

Yes, I know the book talks about X Y and Z... have you read all of it?

http://infowars.wikia.com/wiki/Ecoscience:_Population,_Resources,_Environment

I know you'll just take from it what is underlined with out putting any of it into context...purposely, imho.

 

Calling me stupid and mocking my beliefs is doing wonders for your own credibility, keep it up!

It's not hard to realize when you look at nature. Take Opium for example. The biggest risk of Opium is dependency. Vicoden on the other hand it added to Tylenol so ultimately it destroys your liver and ruins your body much faster.

This is just one example though, there are many more. It's not such a horrible thing to question why government would do things that hurt it's own people. There's plenty of evidence out there, but of course to people who think the government can do no wrong (ignoring all the wrong they've already done) There's no way I'd pursued you guys, in this, or anything else. Liberals believe in more government spending so it fits your agenda that I be wrong.

I'm not declaring I'm 100% Right either, but either way, it's a valid question. Why do we NEED government controlled water, power, gas etc?
History show monopolys jack up the price, and government monopolies is no exception. Plus, I don't have a choice to not drink fluoride or arsenic if I don't want it in my body, and that's another cause for alarm. Maybe you guys like Arsenic and Fluoride in your water. Whereas, I don't trust any one-size fits all government drug and I should have that freedom to decide.

 

You have a problem with paracetamol?
If you take a large dose it might just kill you, yes.
You avoid that by not taking large doses.
Or you don't take it at all.

This is an e.g of what?

Talk about conversational drift...

You've conveniently dropped most of what we were talking about and decided to talk about 'big government' *snooze*

You don't mention who is adding arsenic to 'our' water.
If you don't want fluoride (natural or added) in your water, well, good look removing it all - but you can, atleast, filter out the majority.

 

I hope you don't mean me!

 

Harvard Study Finds Fluoride Lowers IQ
August 07, 2012 | 64,199 views

By Dr. Mercola

Fluoride is added to 70 percent of U.S. public drinking water supplies to aid in the prevention of cavities.

This benefit is dubious at best, as there is practically no difference in tooth decay rates between fluoridated and non-fluoridated countries, and no difference between states that fluoridate a high versus low percentage of their water.

Yet, while fluoride in drinking water does NOT decrease rates of tooth decay, numerous studies show that this chemical has a wide array of devastating health effects – one of them being lowered IQ.

Yet Another Study Links Fluoride to Lower IQ Levels

A review of brain studies involving the use of fluoride has concluded that one of the adverse effects of fluoride exposure on children is damage to their neurological development.1 According to the Harvard researchers, children who lived in high-fluoride areas had “significantly lower IQ than those in low fluoride areas,” with the authors noting:

“The results support the possibility of an adverse effect of high fluoride exposure on children's neurodevelopment.“

This just adds to the growing number of animal and human studies demonstrating the damage fluoride inflicts on your brain, including your pineal gland. The results of one study looking at children’s intelligence in two towns – one with fluoridated water and one without – were particularly revealing, with about 28 percent of the children in the low-fluoride area scoring as “bright, normal or higher intelligence” compared to only 8 percent in the high-fluoride area.2

Further, 15 percent of children in the high-fluoride city had signs of mental retardation, compared with only 6 percent in the low-fluoride city. And the study even accounted for other potential variables, such as lead exposure, iodine deficiency or a history of brain disease or head injury. There have been over 23 human studies and 100 animal studies linking fluoride to brain damage. This includes such effects as:3
http://articles.***********/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/07/effects-of-fluoride-to-children.aspx



and of course no one got to vote on putting flouride in the water.

in america we only concern ourselves with entitlements, no time for government.

 

really, well they put brain damaging flouride in the water under the guise it prevents cavities.

apparently you never bothered to look at vaccination data either. the population recovers just as fast vaccinated or unvaccinated.



THE SMALLPOX VACCINATION HOAX
[back] Smallpox

"Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it."--Adolph Hitler

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."----George Orwell'

[This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of Allopathy, so a very important lie for the Medical Mafia. The oft mentioned 'smallpox vaccination saved millions and eliminated smallpox' is a very important lie that justifies all sorts of vaccine and drug horrors along with the general failure of Allopathy to cure anything other than bacterial infections. One of the greatest benefits outweigh the risks Rationalizations. A triumph of Authority and Repetition propaganda ploys, helped by the million or so medical industry workers who need to believe in it. For a quick summary see the Smallpox vaccination banners.]









But I honor your opinion anyway.

 

I posted something about this a while ago...

Guess where those studies were based/extrapolated from? China...

The HIGH levels of fluoride were naturally occurring and from industrial contamination.

If you read StpLSD25's article:

China
Millions of children are exposed to excessive amounts of fluoride through drinking water contaminated from natural geological sources.

In China, the burning of fluoriderich coal adds to the problem.

Say 'our' level is 0-1 'their' level was/is something like 4-6, in some cases 7-8.

We live in countries where it is LOW (natural and added).
Not HIGH (natural and added).
We are not exposed to excessive amounts...

So, YES HIGH levels of fluoride have the possibility of an adverse effect.


Wiki:
As of May 2000, 42 of the 50 largest U.S. cities had water fluoridation. In 2010, 66% of all U.S. residents and 74% of U.S. residents with access to community water systems receive fluoridated water. In 2010, a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study determined that "40.7% of adolescents aged 12–15 had dental fluorosis [in 1999–2004]". In response, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services together with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency are proposing to reduce the recommended level of fluoride in drinking water to the lowest end of the current range, 0.7 milligrams per liter of water (mg/L), from the previous recommended maximum of 1.2 mg/L.[86] This could effectively terminate municipal water fluoridation in areas where fluoride levels from mineral deposits and industrial pollution exceed the new recommendation

So you could say they are not only adding they are subtracting...



P.S : Could you help him out with regards to adding arsenic to our water supply?

 

Advanced nations like the U.S. have experienced massive IQ gains over time (a phenomenon that I first noted in a 1984 study and is now known as the "Flynn Effect"). From the early 1900s to today, Americans have gained three IQ points per decade on both the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales and the Wechsler Intelligence Scales. These tests have been around since the early 20th century in some form, though they have been updated over time. Another test, Raven's Progressive Matrices, was invented in 1938, but there are scores for people whose birth dates go back to 1872. It shows gains of five points per decade.

In 1910, scored against today's norms, our ancestors would have had an average IQ of 70 (or 50 if we tested with Raven's). By comparison, our mean IQ today is 130 to 150, depending on the test.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444032404578006612858486012.html

 

Question for you "the government is purposefully killing its own population" theorists:

I want you to do a thought experiment with me and help me understand the precise machinations of these plots. So, suppose John Doe works for the government. And he has been instructed to partake in a conspiracy to poison the entire population through, let us say purposefully adding arsenic to the drinking water. John Doe has a wife and 2 kids. His kids go to school. His wife is a doctor. His wife has many friends, and a vibrant social life. He has many friends, and a vibrant social life.

Does John Doe partake of this plan knowing that his own wife, kids, other family and friends will be harmed by this plan?

What I am getting at with this thought experiment, is this false dichotomy you construct when fearing "the government", not understand that the government is made of PEOPLE LIKE YOU. People with loved ones; people with families. People who buy the same food, drink the same drinks, take the same medicines, breathe the same air. So when you say things like "the government is poisoning us for population control", that is really the same thing as saying "the government is poisoning the government for population control".

This is what really confuses me about these conspiracy theories. Help me understand

 

John Doe is under the assumption that his family will spared. Mr. Doe would be a 1%er. There are plans and places for these people to go when they cull the population. This a term used by them, we are like livestock. They do not like us using up all the resources and when they are too many of us we are hard to control. Much like the novel 1984 the power really does lie in the masses and we must never know this. They want a slave force but just enough to serve them no more.

One example of a safe spot would Denver International Airport which has long been thought to have a massive underground base. I have lived in Denver for many years and even though DIA has been finished since the mid 90's they are still building in places. There was all sorts of delays that no one could explain during construction. It was ready according to contractors and the like but somehow it took an extra few years and no one could say what was being built or by whom.

Denver is right in the middle of the USA. You can reach it in about the same amount of time from any place in the country. This is why it is a good location.

You have to get over the assumption that they are "like us". They do not have empathy. You would not do these things because you do. From an early age they are taught a us and them mentality. In their eyes we the general public are not equals.

 

sure they did!

 

I have just compiled what I consider the most comprehensive data set of national SAT scores anywhere on the Internet.



http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/racial-amplitudes-of-scholastic.html

 

unfocusedanakin

1%ers work at my local water treatment plant? Mmm, nice job if you can get it.
I think you are forgetting they are already supposed to be doing it.
Although, nobody seems to have brought forth any data regarding adding arsenic to our water supply.
I would presume the Dr's all over the world are in on this to - you know, when vast amounts of people are dropping dead due to arsenic poisoning.
How many people would you say will be able to fit in the not so secret underground bunker under Denver airport?

I am included, right - or is just an American thing?

 

unfocusedanakin: So assuming they are literally 1% of the population, you are saying they will be fitting 3.14 million people under the Denver airport?

You know, we talk about the 1% vs. the 99%. But this is really a gradient. For example, the "2%" to "10%", represent some serious financial power as well, not to mention a substantially larger populace than the "1%". So while the 1% is plotting all this genocide of the human race under the noses of the 99%, and suppose suddenly people start dying all over the place from what is quickly and easily identified as arsenic poisoning, how will the 1% protect themselves from the 2%? the 3%? the 10%? How will the 1% hide from 99% of the united states military? 99% of the air force? 99% of the navy? 99% of the CIA, FBI, DEA, ATF, etc . . . .

It seems to me like this 1% is performing a veritable magic trick