Hello friends! I am a fairly experienced tripper but have questions on the best way to mentally prepare someone who will be tripping for the first time. My question is, if before the trip while im telling the first timer what to expect, how to prepare your mind/self for the upcoming event ect ect. whether or not i should bring up the immense power of the drug and the respect that should be shown to it, or if that might just scare them and bring on negative vibes before the trip? I want them to know that a bad state of mind can turn a beautiful experience into a horrible nightmare (bad trip) but am not sure if this will make them worry and begin doubts or not want to think about it so bad that they end up thinking about it. such as if you tell someone not to think of an elephant the first thing they will think of is an elephant. Should i keep them ignorantly blissful of the possible negative trip? or educate them so they know it is a possibility and how to avoid it? Also i was curious on if people with depression will be safe to take it? Ive heard that it can help greatly with the disease, but i imagine that a depressed mind has depressed thoughts that can lead to a bad trip? I have introduced quite a few first timers and it has gone great every time, but i want to have a refined method so that no one will have to endure something as horrifying as a bad trip. :sunny: Thanks for the help! :sunny: :love:
Let em know they may have a bad trip and explain to them they should stay calm and that it's just the drug. That way in case they do experience this they'll be prepared and not completely freaked out.
Be kind of vague telling them what to expect from their trip, as it will likely be personal and unique but stress certain factor such as good mindset/setting for the trip to provide the best chance of a worthwhile positive experience. Make them aware that this is a powerful mind altering chemical and not a casual high, don't make it sound frightening but stress that it is a pretty mentally and maybe physically intensive experience. As far as the depression goes, it's a tough call. I think that someone with significant depression may be more susceptible to a bad time with LSD, however I think it could be beneficial for some individuals with depression. Stressing the mindset/setting factors will likely increase the potential for a positive trip.
One easy thing to do is to have them watch one or two documentaries on LSD if you're not comfortable in your own abilities to relay what it's like. Hell, I'm comfortable doing it and I still have them watch these two documentaries. Knowledge is power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtogEfQF6l8"]LSD The Beyond within 1/10 - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aZre1Lib0o"][Inside LSD] - NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORER Full Documentary - YouTube I don't think you should keep someone in the dark about the effects and possible dangers. I think that is asking for trouble. It doesn't mean they won't have an amazing time, but in case they don't, they might feel betrayed at why you didn't warn them what it was like. Seems like simple courtesy. Do not have any subterfuge in what you say about it, don't try reverse psychology, just be completely open and honest about it.
Mr Writer and GB provided some good information! In my opinion is to educate your friend about the experience. What it can bring up?, what it can offer?, Set and Setting? All of these factors are really important. As for depression goes... Acid can show that life is really beautiful but before taking acid or ANY other psychedelic substance a good state of mind is a must! As far as a GOOD experience can bring lots of benefits LOTS a negative experience can reveal really dark and frustrating thoughts. But why enter a bad trip when everything is beautiful. View some art together like Josephine Wall! some bright colourful stuff. Put on some music you like be in a safe environment away from sober people nature is the BEST setting for psychedelics. Always try to listen communicate with your friend dialogue will and can solve everything. Dont take too much when you are tripping with your friend first time.. for easier to guide you need to be selfless if you are taking such responsibility. I Believe you and your friend can have a great trip together and achieve lots of stuff. Just try reflecting everything positively. Don't be afraid the bad trip soo much which i call dark trips we can learn a lot from every experience looking in a postive WAY!!!!. Peace And Love
I agree 100% :2thumbsup: I agree 100% :2thumbsup: It's a tough call. On the one hand you don't want to shape another person's experience by too much preparatory information, and the sheer WOW!!!! factor is greatly enhanced when just thrown into the deep end (at least for me). But there is a lot of value and importance in a person having some idea of the journey they are about to embark on. Simple physiological safety, how to cope if it starts going in an uncomfortable direction, etc. but too much info can also get in the way of the experience itself as person try's to compare their notes with what they are experiencing. I know I slip into an overly analytical frame of mind at times when tripping, like thinking how to write it up for the forums and shit. LOL So I agree with both opinions, it just really comes down to the individual and that is something unknown until they actually embark on a journey through inner space.
lol. I do this so much while I'm tripping that I start to get annoyed with myself and then never end up writing anything up anymore.
Thnx for that mang...IMHO anticipation is a killer when it comes to sex, tripping, or enlightenment...these things need to unfold naturally for the best results... I should add,( in response to your statement I highlighted) it's all the deep end... no matter the prequel
Start off the lecture with the disclaimer "the following lecture will ultimately not help you in the least"
tbh I prefer the blissfully ignorant route. let them have their own experience, especially on a first dose. (do dose them lightly). I would hate to have such a pure experience steered in the direction everyone else has gone -- such a WASTE, imo. Give them some sort of optimistic mechanic for the possibility of bad trips, but also remind them the more they worry about that possibility, the more possible they can create it, and that it's awfully rare (placebo for their benefit) or possibly even educational and it passes and is only one part of an entire trip. I will tell (not warn) the person it's not a casual high, and that they just want time away from responsibility to explore and such. All in all be brave, and use their judgement. Should things go south, don't fight the trip. Flow through it optimistically but ultimately they are free to make their own decisions too. Good luck and have fun! (also probably don't expect too much. I've made this mistake before). -- I believe is the tone I'd use. *For the depression question, I wouldn't give it to someone who already sucks @ thinking, for lack of a better term. (Unless you are confident in this person's ability to remain happy/content during the trip).
for lack of a better term??? how about someone who may suffer from a physiological disease that is often hereditary and well beyond the control of the individual and more often than not hasn't a fucking thing to do with their life situation. depression = "sucks at thinking" What a disappointing attitude from you.
omg shut up lol. stop jumping to conclusions. I'm not attacking anyone with depression. "struggle with thinking positively & maintaining such attitudes, more-so than the average healthy person" fucking christ. are you happy now. I'm neg repping you for next 10 years btw.
You still make it sound like it is something that is within the person's control, most often it is not. Interesting that your inability to accurately and concisely communicate your ideas results in ME being an ass and being on the receiving end of neg rep.
^ lol go to hell bro. Seriously. I explained it fine the second time. You ASSUMED I would make fun of people WITH DEPRESSION. You're still ASSUMING I don't know the most BASIC THINGS about depression (this irrates me the most tbh). This makes you a huge ass. Why not have some faith, man? Maybe I just wanted to express myself casually. And actually made a pretty fine point. You're just too busy whining to conclusions and painting people in a negative light before you take a step back and re-think what's actually being communicated. -On the surface (I knew you'd get mad had I not included this ) - People with depression do suck "@ thinking" (again, not blaming the user). They struggle with it. Even healthy people struggle with being optimistic. It's something we can all relate to and perhaps look at more humorously at times. Maybe this was the direction I was going in. (and bro you don't know the whole story. I actually have a lot of empathy for those with depression, may have it myself, I have a lot more calm & settled actual opinion on the matter should I/we actually discuss it in depth yaddayaddayadda) Either way, I shouldn't have to explain myself and your first assumption shouldn't be i'm shitting on people with depression - are you fucking crazy?? Who would do that. This makes you a huge ass. 9 years of neg rep left, bro.
In a mature conversation, no one should need to tell the other to shut up, or go to hell. Maybe Nox misunderstood a bit, but that's no morally objectionable action, and it doesn't requite this beration of insults. I still wouldn't even say that you've made a good point with your "sucks @ thinking" idea. I vaguely get the idea that you're trying to get at, but by and large I think most people would read it and think it was insulting to depressed people.
Personally I read a ton about acid before I tried it, and I also had depression, and it still blew my mind in a positive way the first time I tripped. You should definitely warn your friend of the risks and be there to help them. If you are really concerned, you can learn some techniques to help, such as the elephant walk. After a quick google search of "elephant walk," I decided it would be better to just explain it myself. Basically you instruct the tripper to take their shoes off, and walk slowly around on a floor while placing each foot very lightly on the floor, testing it before they take a step. These grounding exercises should also work well: http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/grounding-exercises-for-ptsd-symptoms.html It also helps to put on some light music such as some indian flute music (some can find the sitar's tone a bit harsh on the brain) or something like Gretchen Parlato, the Beach Boys, etc. And of course don't try to kill the trip with xanax or anything. You could be depriving them of the experience they might need firstly, and secondly if it doesn't work, it can freak them out even more. But of course, that is only if they have a bad trip, and statistically speaking, if they have a good set and setting, they are very unlikely to have a bad trip.
