I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

lol haha it's cool.

Right now Im attending AASU. It isn't the biggest or best known college, but then again Im not the richest student. Thinking about transferring to UGA if I can convince some people to go with me.

and no I haven't read that book. I'll have to check it out sometime.

here is the link.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290439

it was originally a thread about karma and reincarnation, and then freaker, okie, and I semi-hijacked it with our biological/philisophical rants. so it's kind of mixed up. we had some good discussion though, just thought maybe you would like to read.

starts getting juicy round page 4 or 5, if I remember correctly.

 

yo asshole, i dont go over to the God friends forum and say god doesnt exist so fuck off and leave us alone
ps. you didnt prove god exist, you just speculated, now if you come down with god holding hands with you then maybe ill believe, but not your fucking wierd thoughts. no fuck you.

 

anyone can call anything anything. that's not a presupposition or an ego, just a simple honest observation. to say someone is wrong is itself a presuposition and a demonstration of ego.

there are many things we can experience without pretending to know anything about them. it is the lables we paste on them that are the presuppostions.

it is only insecurity though, that makes anyone feel they HAVE TO "prove" anything. a person who secure in their beliefs is under no such compulsion. in no need of the confermation of others shairing them.

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To be totally honest, Neo, reading old threads doesn't do that much for me...afraid I'll have to pass. Not because of the subject matter or the posters involved - just old threads, in general.

I'm still a little bit shocked that a biology major could come out not believing in evolution, but *shrug* to each his own, I guess. Thanks for a cool debate!

 

Yeh but then its a waste of a whole lifetime if you die and there is no heaven.
All the days u spent going to church or mosque etc.
it will have all been a waste :/

 

Well stated. I agree.

 

the idea of a beginning is a man made idea. we cant grasp the thought that there IS no beginning, there just always has BEEN life.

 

when someone thinks that by behaiving themselves there bribing or buying an etarnal life from some, a, the, thier god, the're completely missing both points.

there's no automatic manditory connectedness between these two things.

god, whatever it is that is there, that exists, that is close enough for government work to legitimately be called that, may be a fine wonderful great big unimaginable awireness, and all sorts of good things might come from people having some sort of shaired emotional gratification toward and with it.

not causing suffering is about how much suffering there ends up being in the world or worlds, we are all having to live in. that's something that affects ourselves directly in the hear and now, even if its not always intuitively linear nor instantanious.

but yes i aggree, to do or not do something, if the ONLY reason to do or not do it, is because someone, and no one has any more idea about this than anyone else, whatever else they might claim, SAYS that some god or gods wants you to do or not do it, well that's just an unsubstanitatable claim.

but most of those things, i mean at the real heart of their meaning, the valid ones, not causing suffering for each other, and the more of it there is, the more likely each of us are to run into and be hurt by it, that's what that is really all about.

there could be a next life without a god, there could be a god without there being a next life, there could be both, unconnected with each other any way more then they are with the life we're living now, and certainly unconnected with what anyone thinks they know about any sort of organized belief.

i believe beliefs are started by someone channelling something that chooses them to be channelled by (and NOT them choosing it, those who actually have and did). that something being the same something each call their god. but i have to seriously question the whole notion that from this, or any other way, that people really know, other then again, not damaging whatever it may have made, what that god might actually have in mind for anyone, or at least anyone other then themselves.

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hah you havent proved any thing youve just proved that you have a theory

 

I don't believe in Cynicism.

 

After the Big Bang, the universe was so hot that electrons, neutrons & protons couldn't stick together. So definitely no life then.

Then things cooled down enough for atoms to exist - hydrogen atoms that is. No life then either.

The hydrogen gas began to gravitationally collapse in places and stars & galaxies formed. But these were first generation stars. They took hydrogen and made helium. Still not the raw materials needed for life, so no life then either.

Unless anyone knows how to make life with only hydrogen, or hydrogen & helium, I'd say there wasn't any life for about the first 7-8 billion years of the universe.

 

Nah, life has existed before the big bang. We live in an omniuniverse.

 

Ftw

 

Ah yes... maybe, maybe not. Absolutely no way to tell though, so people can feel free to assign all kinds of crazy speculations to the 'other' universes

 

Anyone hear about findings of proteins and ehhhhhh some sort of acid that I don't recall the name of, being found inside comets? We're talking building blocks of life, forming inside of comets because the pressure is so intense, it compresses elements together in ways which they would not normally bond.

Intense stuff. Look it up!

 

proteins and amino acids exist all over the place.

but, life is much more complex than that.

 

It's not created from the pressure. Comets are mostly ice water, which is relatively light. Comets are also small... just a few km across. So there's not enough there to create a large gravitational field that would compress the comet. Outside of a cometary nucleus is a vacuum of space, so I don't know where you think the pressure comes from.

Asteroids the size of comets are shown to be like a loose conglomeration of gravel. Asteroid pieces from much larger asteroids show signs of differentiation. i.e. heavier elements are in the center, and lighter elements are at the surface because of their larger gravitational field.

 

And that's what I love about this forum: We just got a very cogent, informed post about the makeup of comets from a guy named MrStiffy.

 

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MrStiffy, MollyBoston, Captain Cannabis.


sounds like a fucked up collection of superheros...