Can anyone let me know what the score is with I.D. cards now? Has the battle been lost, or is there still something we can do? On that note, I've stuck up a poll...are you guys for or against this scheme?
I'm in two minds about this, yes, it dose take away some freedom, and the government probably has it's own hidden reasons behined all this which would without a doubt piss me off, but it can be used in the war on terror, if used properly, and I don't have a problem with that, these cowardly motherfuckers that bomb soft/non military targests need to be stopped, and this could be one way of doing that, I realy don't know which way to swing with this.
The thing is, it's quite naive to assume that they don't already have all the information about you that would be on the ID card, it's just putting it all in one place. I'm not convinced how likely it is to stop terrorism though. And also it's only a matter of time before someone could figure out how to forge them. So I guess I think the idea is a reasonable one, but with a lot of flaws!
No... Only Dictatorships have them, which says everything... Thick me.. Does the States have them or not?
no the states doesn't have them, and i would hope that they couldn't because of their constitution which protects them to an extent. i believe we should not ever bring them in, they are anti-liberty in my view. i do not care what they pretend to protect or will prevent, i will not give up anything for freedom. i will not give up freedom for any security, because we do not know what the future holds. peacex
I'm all for freedom, but there's too many stupid and law breaking people around that can't be trusted. I'm for I.D. cards.
so what happens if a new government comes in and decides on new laws you do not agree with. why can you trust the government but cannot trust people, they are the same, we do not have a codified constitution to portect us, we have the European Human Rights act. The I.D. card in my opinion is very anti-liberty, and i am not willing to give that up so it MAY prevent a future terrorist attack, even though the only real act we have seen wouldn't have been prevented by such as scheme peacex
Because where I'm from the people act like animals, I'm not referring to law abiding citizens, but there are other people that ruin the whole freedom concept for everyone else. I believe you need to get tough with people who threaten a peaceful way of life. And also we obviously have an immigration problem in this country. Just my opinion.
yeah you are intitled to your opinion and that is the beauty of freedom, but i believe your freedom is under threat from many things, and one of them being the I.D. card act. will an I.D. card stop people acting like animals, i believe not at all. to me the government are the ones to question more as they control our money, take us to war, pollute the environment, yet can change all these things, it can (in the UK because of no codified constitution) take our freedoms away or give us more, but the latter seems unlikely peacex
Either way I will avoid them. I never intend on staying in the UK for longer than a couple of weeks anyways.
I work along side the Military, law enforcement and some agencies, and I'm well aware of the info the government have on all of us, an ID card dosn't make a difference in the grand sceme of things, but it dose tell the indavidual officer who you are so there's no fucking around, don't forget, we may not like the law, but the guy on the street, asshole or not, isn't a policy maker, just an instrument of that policy, and his job, to catch burglers, muggers, rapists and even terrorists is made that much easier if you can identify yourself on the spot, even if it's just to eliminate you from there enquiries, as they put it, so like I said, I realy don't know which way to go on this one. (sorry about the spelling)
but in theory we are supposed to be a liberal democracy, we do make the policy (in theory). the politicians are supposed to represent the people. you may work for law enforcement, but you are hired by the people for the people, not to remove our civil liberties and check up on people because of personal prejedice (which will happen). i would prefer a state in which we are 'free' and have 'civil liberties' and a risk of terrorism (which isn't that much) then a police state in which we are safer from the terrorists (the main threat apparently ) but have less liberties and freedoms and we now fear those with real power. peace
I take your point, and it's a good one, but tell thet to somebody who has had half there face blown off in the name of some religion, haveing said that, i don't want a Police state, or live under Military law, it's a tough one, and something I've battled with for some time, I see both sides of the coin, and not just what the media spews out, I talk to the guys at the sharp end, I get it strait from the horses mouth, it's not the guy on the ground that's the problem, it's the guys at the top with the hidden agenda that bothers me, like I said, the policy makers, but for the most part, I agree with you, it's just the terrorism thing I have a problem with, to hit a Military target is combat, but to kill unarmed civilians is nothing more than a cowardly act of murder.
What's to stop people from making their own ID cards or stealing others and hacking into the database... just like they do with PIN numbers and SIM cards etc
I have seen this quote attributed to both Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin: "Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." Seems to me that people throughout history have sooner died than not be free, and we worship them as heroes for it, yet now we are being asked to give up our freedom to protect ourselves, and for the most part doing it willingly.
