If God Is A Contradiction Then He Does Not Exist

Have you actually read any of Grof's work, or did you just quickly look up on Wikipedia and see that his research involved LSD? But this was then followed by states of consciousness induced by breathing exercises.

However these LSD trips were started to study the psychological impact of the drug, what they indicate on human consciousness, and whether it provided therapeutic benefits. The experiments were done in controlled environments, he wasn't simply out at parties turning people on ala Timothy Leary, or riding around the States with the Merry Pranksters spiking people's drinks.

There are tons of ways that his research has produced verifiable results of knowledge and insight gained through either LSD or the breathing exercises which involved things that the subjects could not have known, verified by third party experts. This is not to mention the fact that his work has helped countless people deal with psychological issues, and overcome their problems.

 

Oh yes----like any other scientist---his work is subject to peer review. He is not some crackpot New Age guru who makes his living by selling bogus crap. He is very well recognized in his field----psychology.

 

I do no such thing. I bow to no religion, and I would rather die than be forced to recognize any such nonsense that relies upon fantasy instead of reality.

Islam is no different than Christianity in its domination for the entire world to want its religion alone to be recognized, what with 'Murica, as well as the rest of the world through missions, wanting the country to become a veritable Jesusland, but thankfully the religious ideologies only seem to be heavily concentrated in the two most horrible places to live: 'Murica and the middle east with China fast becoming a country where the Christian population will soon outnumber the Christians in 'Murica unfortunately.

Societal evolution, however, has taught that religion eventually passes onto myth only to be replaced by a newer ideology, and it will be no different with Christianity and Islam. Christianity will probably die out sooner than Islam, because Christianity has evolved the most thus far. Islam is still in its infancy, stuck in its veritable dark ages beliefs, and goodness forbid they ever come to power. Because then even the Christians will be killed again for not adhereing to Islam.

 

I have stated this before, and I shall state it again.

People are under the misconception that drugs open the mind to reality. The fact is that drugs merely open the mind to delusion, hallucinations, thus shutting out reality.

Anything experienced under the influence simply cannot be trusted as realistic.

 

<<Societal evolution, however, has taught that religion eventually passes onto myth only to be
replaced by a newer ideology, and it will be no different with Christianity and Islam. Christianity will
probably die out sooner than Islam, because Christianity has evolved the most thus far. Islam is still
in its infancy, stuck in its veritable dark ages beliefs, and goodness forbid they ever come to power.
Because then even the Christians will be killed again for not adhereing to Islam.>>

So you just said right there that religion will always dominate the "reality" people your own self?

 

Religion does not dominate reality. It wants to dominate people and what they believe. Always has and always will, because religion cannot abide by others being different. Religion wants Stepford-theists.

Religion hates reality because it cannot properly meld itself into reality without claiming fallible faith as its only evidence for anything supernatural.

 

Perception is not knowledge but can lead to it. Learn not to judge by appearances.
We are susceptible to delusion and all have been disillusioned regardless and every substance we ingest contributes to the balance of our chemical soup. Any kind of stress puts our clear headed thinking at risk. For example extreme hunger can lead to cannibalization. It is not a misconception that drugs can illuminate functions of the mind and there is nothing magic or sinister in that notion.

 

Well, there are many opinions on that. I disagree. But then I have only had limited experience with such drugs, and that was back in the 70's.

I will say though that, if LSD enables one to uncover complexes in the human psyche that need to be dealt with in order for a person to be emotionally, or psychologically healed, and that it enables them to work through such complexes and heal----then the more power to them.

 

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eligion does not dominate reality. It wants to dominate people and what they believe. Always has
and always will, because religion cannot abide by others being different. Religion wants Stepford-theists.

Religion hates reality because it cannot properly meld itself into reality without claiming fallible faith
as its only evidence for anything supernatural.>>

Yeah sure. Maybe you could start a movement or something? Haha good luck with that. The real reality people have a pretty big jump on it though ~

 

What religion are you practicing that you assign hate to it's reality?

 

Interestingly enough, faithfullness is a synonym for unreality. Think about it. Makes perfect sense.

 

One reason why I always love atheists and agnostics, is because they (my friends at least) are not trying to change how I think, or believe, or do.

There are those Christians who think that I am well on the path of Satan, or that I am being influenced by evil spirits.

Mind you, not all Christians are that way---there are Christians who I am able to share with---provide a different perspective on things. They aren't trying to convert me, I am not trying to change their religion.

But there are those Christians I have trouble with. I have seen first hand the terrible dysfunction that missionaries are imposing upon indigenous people around the world---especially those that are naive, because they do not understand the secular-non-secular framework that missionaries work from. Missionaries have done far more than many to wipe out cultures and languages, and advance the oppression and exploitation of the indigenous by governments, farmers, miners and others, and to further policies around the world that are just like the racist and inhumane policies in the US to rub the Indian out of the Indian.

But these threads are the same thing. Such as your other thread that starts with the speech about how man could progress so much further without religion, and ends on the point of a mind cleansed of religion.

Yes there are problems that need to be discussed and changed, dogmas that need to be broken. But you can't fight dogma with dogma----if that is the case (as your threads represent) than you need to deal with what is inside, not the world outside. If you are trying to reshape objective reality by objectively pushing your subjective ideals, completely ignoring the subjective reality of others-----you have repressed issues.

 

There are no synonyms for unreality. What is not real does not exist.

Faithfulness is the concept of unfailingly remaining loyal to someone or something and putting that loyalty into consistent practice, regardless of extenuating circumstances. This is not at odds with the perception of reality as it is essential to the practice of not relying only on the appearance of circumstantial evidence. Think about it! Faithfulness to scientific method.

 

Faith is not necessary to the formation of perception. Faith may be necessary to the formation of an interpretation of the perception, but not to the perception itself.

If I see a shadow, I know that something is there casting it. If it is a person casting the shadow, I may know that a person is there, and maybe whether they are fat or thin or tall or short. But as far as the nature and intention of said person, faith, like any guess, will prove accurate or not.

 

Raw sensory information is just that. To perceive a thing it must have definite proportions or a name. Our initial distinctions are provided by our care givers as they teach us what things are and it is our inherent faith in providence that so solidly lodges this in our minds as to create a world of continuity, knowledge flowing freely into an open or accepting mind.

 

a contradiction is a condition . if is also a condition .

thus:
if god is a contradiction then conditionally god is a condition .

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iffiness is oft manipulated , like by insurance salespeople who
would influence focus . customers purchace not only a policy
but HEy! And As A Free Bonus - a technique of employing the If .

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exist is focus upon a thing
non-exist is conditional upon focus

And when existence precedes focus ? you might be DejaVu

 

If you substitute the word Trust for Faith, which kind of drops the religious rhetoric (except on your dollar bills) do you still find your statements hold true?

 

No I have not read his work. Get over yourselves. Seriously, BS victory poses because you've taken time to read shit I don't have time for. Post some specifics and scientific references. This is vague useless BS. You're so vague, I don't even know what I'm supposed to be arguing against here! As far as I know there HAS NEVER BEEN ANY SCIENTIFICALLY CREDITED peer reviewed, confirmed and replicated PROOF of ANY supernatural or telekinetic, type event, EVER! PERIOD!!!

 

Damn fuckin' straight!

 

It seems a contradiction to me to reject a reference without research and then claim vagueness of position. Could be why you don't know what you are supposed to be arguing with?